The investigation of Lucy Letby on Netflix

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Anyone watched it yet? It’s a really excellent documentary with loads of footage of her police interviews.

You see the police asking her questions about those ‘confession’ notes.

I won’t put spoilers in the OP but I’d love to hear what others made of her responses.

Mid way through I thought she’s 💯 guilty but by the end I’m really not sure. A lot points to her being innocent.

I feel for the parents of those babies so much, the uncertainty must be horrendous 😞

I’m sure it said that most cases studied are on adults - I think it was something about inferring it’s the same in neonates without antibodies yet or something like that - and dangerous to infer or something - it wa about this case

I don’t know all the science as well as you

Evening btw !!

we will have to get in contact when results comes out

if it ever does!

Good evening! I hope we aren't old and grey by then, but sure, why not!

I don’t really give a monkeys about procedural rules about ‘after the trial’ It’s cold comfort to you that the rules were followed if you are innocent. If something comes to light that throws significant doubt it should be allowed or there will be continuing injustice.

That’s what I meant about bringing up Andrew Malkinson. It’s very very lucky for him that the forensic evidence became available or he’d still be in there. But if that evidence had been destroyed or untestable he’d still be innocent and unable to get anyone to listen. He knew it all along and kept getting knocked back because it was said that it was all done fairly and by the rules. How many more people might be innocent and wrongly convicted and they aren’t lucky enough to get that really incontrovertible proof? We need to be less arrogant and more open to the possibility that our system gets it wrong because it regularly does.

Gosh that would terrible wouldn’t it

i hope they do the year thing - but I bet they don’t - won’t they want inquest results of babies?? And they aren’t happening until this year - is that right?

Not sure if there was an explanation given at the trial but at the Thirlwall inquiry Dr ZA said he didn't know why, he didn't think accidental or deliberate poisoning was realistic and the judge said well that would have been the case wouldn't it unless the test was faulty, and pressed on why he didn't check that the test was reliable and how this was a serious safety issue regardless of whether he thought someone did it deliberately he said he should have flagged it, and then they change the subject and that's the end of that, unless they ask more questions about it later, but I don't have the patience to read through the rest at the moment.

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Thirlwall-Inquiry-7-October-2024.pdf

Well that’s just it isn’t it? It’s poor clinical care whichever way you look at it. If it’s wrong you need to recheck it. If it’s not wrong then someone’s done it deliberately or more likely accidentally and that’s a huge safety concern for your unit that shouldn’t be covered up. This was a failing unit and I think LL has been scapegoated for it. I have worked in the NHS for over 20 years and this is such a plausible scenario to me much more so than the very unlikely prospect of a serial killer.

I’ve working in Healthcare and Social Services for 32 years. The first red flag is taking the notes home. Confidentiality is the first rule for anyone working in Health or Social Services. POLICE FOUND 257 CONFIDENTIAL HOSPITAL HANDOVER SHEETS AT HER HOME. For that alone she should be in prison.

And what do you think about her being guilty of you’ve been working in that area??

It's shocking, I listened to a podcast last night and Jeremy Hunt said that every year the NHS agrees to 3.5 billion worth of settlements because of injuries and deaths to babies sustained in their care
And the entire cost for maternity services is 4 billion so it's insane that they're spending almost the same on settlements.

So it just goes to show how bad things are overall and how many mistakes are made, and of course some hospital has to be the worst.....

Im September if Lady Thirlwall writes her report before that - but will she? She keeps postponing it ...

That's all, yes. The baby had long since recovered of course. I wonder how many weird but irrelevant results like that get ignored all the time

If you have worked in those services for so long you’ll know that whilst it is absolutely against all the policies nonetheless staff very commonly do take handover notes home usually accidentally. They are scribbly little bits of paper with minimal
info not full clinical notes which no one would do. If you then leave them in a Sainsburys trolley then you will get a disciplinary (happened to someone I know) but you will not go to prison. Thats just ridiculous hyperbole and again is not evidence of murder. Bad practice for sure but it’s very very common. It’s one of those details that as an NHS worker I find wholly unremarkable.

Tell me you’re a social care manager without telling me you’re a social care manager…

@shrinkhole’staff very commonly do take handover notes home usually accidentally. They are scribbly little bits of paper with minimal info not full clinical notes which no one would do’. Tell me you don’t work for the NHS or Social Services PLEASE. How do you take 257 documents home accidentally?

You’ve guessed wrong, I’m not. Try again.

I’m afraid I do work for the NHS. I’m not saying it’s right. We all know the rules. I’m saying it happens. Your outrage is how I know you aren’t a nurse or a Dr became then you would know that this is hardly unusual.
It could happen if it was one per shift over a long time.

Outrage?

Well your post had PLEASE in capitals. I read that as outrage

plus a whole sentence in caps. That is read as shouting usually ie being outraged

I actually had to Google that and read about it on three different sites before I believed you.
That's an unbelievable sum.

@Shrinkhole Mate put the wine down. You are reading things into capital letters that don’t exist.

Have you watched the Netflix documentary? They were NOT “scribbly little bits of paper with minimal info not full clinical notes which no one would do.”
They were A4 pages, very neatly flattened and chronologically filed in a box she had written “KEEP” on.

I don’t drink
This post has a sentence in caps

Weird. Against policy. But not evidence of murder.

Some people’s handover sheets might be A4 I guess but they aren’t full clinical notes. They’d still just be stuff like ‘check potassium’ ‘spiked temp’ and usually no names just bed numbers maybe initials.