The investigation of Lucy Letby on Netflix

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Anyone watched it yet? It’s a really excellent documentary with loads of footage of her police interviews.

You see the police asking her questions about those ‘confession’ notes.

I won’t put spoilers in the OP but I’d love to hear what others made of her responses.

Mid way through I thought she’s 💯 guilty but by the end I’m really not sure. A lot points to her being innocent.

I feel for the parents of those babies so much, the uncertainty must be horrendous 😞

Omg just remembered Mark Furman!!!

racial slurs and proven to be lying

Yes, just imagine. People who judge others for having stuffed animals, living with their parents and being sad at the prospect of being separated from their beloved pets are allowed to sit on juries. Terrifying.

What I don't get is why there was never no defense from LL. If someone came into my house accusing me of murder and I was not guilty I would fight like crazy, not physical I might add. She has a split personality I spotted it in the first few minutes, calm, knowledgeable, calculated and remembers all details until pressed on specifics. A loner for sure, still at home with her parents no social life, cat life. Where's your passion and fight you didn't do it right? Circumstantial evidence is not enough to convict in my opinion and I think one day she will be exonerated. However until that day people can provide me with an alternative I got a feeling justice is being served.

She was fighting the accusations at work from 2016. Sadly that has been used against her to suggest she was manipulative.

I think it's mostly about fight, flight, freeze or fawn though. It sounds as if you are a fighter. I am in some circumstances, but when I was younger if a man groped me or something I would always freeze. It always made me angry with myself.

This part of the discussion reminds me that when I was young, people used to talk as if only rape victims who fought back had really been raped.

People don't really know how they will react to anything until it happens to them.

It certainly is not implying that. I read, they declined due to the media storm around the case and the media assuming guilt before the trial. The medical experts didn’t want to touch the case.

I actually believe this is an innocent woman - I have been following a number of journos on this and publications. I also heard the testimony of Dr Shoo Lee and his team, who concluded very sick babies combined with bad medical care.
However, the most damning for me was the cherry picking of data from the duty rota. Stitch up has been extraordinary.

It's not Eastenders, not everyone acts the same.

You spotted a split personality within a few minutes, well don't give up the day job then!

It's completely normal to only remember some stuff and not others.

And she wasn't a loner living with her parents with no social life. She had bought her own house, presumably she went back to her parents after this all kicked off, and didn't the prosecution make a big deal out of her having a very active social life?

Yes, it was hugely bad luck that Fuhrman was on duty that night.

I still think the evidence showed beyond any doubt that he did it, though. I mean, her and Ron's blood was found in OJ's car and on his drive, and OJ's blood was found at the crime scene! The jury was getting back at the way the LAPD had treated the black community for years, as one juror later admitted. (And they really did treat that community horribly.)

I always say that I think the depictions of rape on TV and in movies are very harmful for victims, they pretty much always act the same way, they get in the bath and scrub themselves completely raw and are hysterical normally for months after. People then think that that's the normal response to rape and that's how victims should act.

The reality is often completely different. No one would have known I was raped when they saw me straight after or even any time after that. The next day I went to the doc and calmly asked for a morning after pill and said 'a condom broke'. I behaved perfectly normal to everyone around me.

Yes because where they took the shoes back to was were Rodney king was assaulted wasn’t it - yea ironic considering how OJ didn’t see himself as using his position to help black people and then needed them

I remember thinking at the time it’s a statement from the black community - you’ve reminded me - and sadly Nicola and Ron got sacrificed

That's true.

13 month period 8 babies died and 10 potential instances. Sometimes we have to simplfy it, something happened to them. That's an alarming rate even for an understaffed hospital. I'm sure it goes on in hospitals with cover ups it must be rife.

She can't of been the only nurse on, is that how a neo natal ward works? When I've been I've had to be buzzed in and I couldn't walk around. Her access is free.

I personally don't think there's enough evidence to convict her but that's our justice system for you.

Are you an adult? That's the beauty about forums you can debate about your opinion.

So humour me what happened to those babies?

It was a bad spike of deaths. But the unit had started taking more babies born earlier that year, so they were more vulnerable.

Unfortunately they didn't hire a specialist neonatologist to look after these vulnerable babies until after Lucy Letby left the ward. They just kept going with the staff they had.

So I think they had a sort of boiling frog situation, where things were getting worse but they didn't realise because it happened gradually and they didn't know what to look out for.

Whatever happened it is truly very sad.

My thoughts exactly - we aren’t legal eagles

That's the beauty about forums you can debate about your opinion.

That's exactly what I'm doing 😅

I don't think I need to 'humour you' about what happened to the babies, you already know what people think the alternative explanation is surely.

They died due to a combination of natural causes, poor care, and medical negligence.

See even supposing that was true - and it isn’t, she’s had close, warm and longstanding friendships who are supportive of her - but let’s say it’s all true.

It doesn’t mean she did it.

No one wants or needs you to like her, or to think she’s someone you’d want to be friends with. You can hold whatever opinions you like. But they are all irrelevant. Her character, her hobbies, her pets, are not on trial.

Have a good evening princess

I didn't expect the poster to be a legal eagle, just pointed out the very clear issues with her interpretation of LL and her 'split personality' and how she was a 'loner'.

What about the insulin?

My opinions and views can change that's the thing with free speech. I'm in agreement I think she should be released however in modern society what do we do?
Sya those babies died because of a spike?
Blame the NHS? Or pin it down on someone?
America have been doing it for years, black profiling

What about it?

There are numerous alternative explanations, which have all been covered extensively in the media and various documentaries. If you CBA to read them, I'm not sure that my repeating them here will help. The below is a good, but brief summary.

https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/special_reports/lucy-letby-16.pdf

While men aren’t immune from this sort of speculation, it definitely is something that’s almost exclusively reserved for women.

My own feelings are that for many people, your twenties and especially your early twenties, are a funny time as you transition from adolescent to adult and it’s pretty normal to retain a sense of childishness with personal taste. I certainly did; my first flat was decorated with these which I thought were really cute at the time and now find faintly nauseating!

But it is possible we all see what we want to see from this case. I see a perfectly normal young woman who was embroiled in a nightmare. Others see a twisted individual with a facade of normality. Neither of those opinions really matter. The facts are what matter. We would all do well to remember her character is not on trial.

no - that’s what this panel of shoo lees believes

the way it stands legally now is that LL is a serial killer and was found guilty

That was what convinced me. Everything else seemed weak but that - insulin, I thought, surely that can’t be argued with. But it seems it can. As soon as that plausible explanation was sent forward the CCRC should have been dealing with it as a matter of urgency.

But there is no forensic evidence to prove that LL did anything.
Just DE's opinion that this must be what happened.