The investigation of Lucy Letby on Netflix

[TheRozzers]

Anyone watched it yet? It’s a really excellent documentary with loads of footage of her police interviews.

You see the police asking her questions about those ‘confession’ notes.

I won’t put spoilers in the OP but I’d love to hear what others made of her responses.

Mid way through I thought she’s 💯 guilty but by the end I’m really not sure. A lot points to her being innocent.

I feel for the parents of those babies so much, the uncertainty must be horrendous 😞

The hospital being downgraded on the day she left and therefore leading to less deaths makes sense
of course.

But what about the fact that collapses/deaths stopped on the night shifts when she was switched to day shifts …and then starting occurring during the day instead? And what about when she went on holiday and everything stopped but then collapses started happening again as soon as she returned?

The unit had been understaffed and overstretched before she joined and they averaged only 3 deaths a year so something significant changed didn’t it. And the common denominator was Lucy!

Sorry I just quoted the wrong person! I can’t work out how to edit/change it sorry xx

Cum hoc ergo propter hoc

It's a fallacy. Just because the two things happened at the same time doesn't mean that one caused the other.

You need more than coincidence to convict someone because coincidences happen all the time.

One mother did walk in and see LL ,not directly assaulting but ignoring her baby who was in distress just after being assaulted,I remember it from the court reports. LL did nothing to help or assist.

This could be a complete misunderstanding- neonatal nurses don’t just pick up babies, as the babies will often become more distressed on handling. Instead they observe, call a doctor for assistance and often it is about adjusting settings on their ventilation machine

You might also be thinking about the evidence given in the court that one of the doctors saw her just standing there - although he was later found to have sent an email saying that LL had called him as she was worried about the baby

How can anyone think she’s innocent, she comes across as a completely unemotionless psychopath.

Also not evidence. People said that about Sally Clark who was innocent and about Kate McCann.

I watched it after I saw your post OP.
What troubles me about the whole thing.... I'm like you; first half I was convinced of her guilt. 2nd half, the doubts crept in.
The power of the right music, carefully selected clips, expert quotes, showing the suspects emotional responses.
So then I think - exactly like the court room in a way. It's always been a theatre with the goal of appealing to a jury. I remember watching 'The trial' where 2 separate juries watched the same case and returned different verdicts, which was concerning....
I won't say what I ultimately think because I don't have full grasp of the facts. But if there is new compelling evidence, it must be considered at the highest level by the experts

I thought she appeared traumatised - I wondered if some of the delay with questions was dissociative

This is a common conceit with TV depictions of criminal cases. Do you remember the ITV ee-enactment of the coughing Major cheating at Who Wants to Be A Millionaire? Episode 1, bang to rights. Episode 2, you see how the show was rigged against contestants. Episode 3, you wonder if he was guilty and wonder how they got convicted.

In reality the evidence against them was far more damning than shown. But that doesn't make for such interesting TV.

I spent months in a SCBU with my son so I know they aren't picked up,they aren't ignored though, it was the mother and she said how anxious she was about leaving after the event. LL was standing at the nurses station iirc taking no notice.

They can edit a show to make you believe anything - I thought the police interviews they showed were clearly edited to make her look guilty - as the questions where she answered “no comment” were clearly from a different interview than the ones where she answered the questions - and yet were edited to look like they happened at the same time. The “no comment” answers would have been on the advice of her solicitor

Yes I read that parent statement too in the court documents. Also, I read that some parents complained about her behaviour after death - inappropriate comments and demeanour when bathing the deceased baby etc? Did anyone else read that?

I think you might be conflating things. RJ said she was standing over a cot doing nothing and not calling for help for Baby K (except she had called for help) during a collapse. One of the mothers said she was standing over the cot moments before her child suffered a collapsed lung and another said LL was standing over her screaming baby (Baby E) who had blood on their mouth. Whether you believe the explanations for why that might be is one thing but I don’t think anyone said she was standing at the nurses station ignoring an active collapse though, unless I’ve missed something. Could you share?

Hope your child is now well. It must have been a difficult time.

I agree. I watched the Netflix documentary. I have very little doubt that she is guilty. If she is so innocent why were none of her colleagues called to be a witness for the defence Because everything points to her guilt.

At least two of her colleagues were told not to come forward by the Trust due to the potential risk of destroying their careers, and they’re just the ones that spoke to the press. “Defended a baby killer” sticks. If she was found guilty, they’d have a very hard time justifying it. If she was found innocent, plenty of people would have still thought she was guilty. It’s the same reason that defence witnesses are harder to find.

I do have mixed feelings about this
But a lot of her behaviour was very strange ,the Facebook searching for example and it was many times do couldnt just be put down to curiosity.

Yes there was quite a lot of weird behaviour from her. She commented 'He's not getting out ouf here alive is he?' about a baby that had been previously very stable and then had an unexpected crash and been resuscitated. She tried to take a still-living baby from the parents' arms saying 'You've said your goodbyes'. She kept appearing in the room with bereaved parents and had to be asked to leave by a more senior colleague. She wrote a letter a year on to babies that had died (triplets) and kept it in her possession but actually one survived and she wrote as if all had passed (one escaped her by getting transferred).

If it was just the parents of the babies I might agree, but she searched pretty much everyone - hundreds of people per month. She was clearly a serial searcher that looked for people when she came across them. No question she was obviously incredibly nosy and potentially a bit voyeuristic/enjoyed living vicariously through other people, but it isn’t anywhere near as damning in that context unless you also think she was planning to murder the children of people she came across at salsa class. Some people are just plain obsessive with social media.

I think looking up the parents of one of the babies she killed on Christmas Day is a bit more than 'nosy'.

Money and power are like the two biggest motives. Not as common with women, either of them.

No, she was clearly obsessive and probably in the wrong job, not sure that means she's guilty though.

It could equally be seeing how they’re doing on what would be a hard day because she cared. It is not inherently an issue unless you are adamant she’s guilty and are looking for evidence to back it up. From a neutral perspective, there are multiple explanations. Was she only searching for them on Christmas Day or was it part of wider searches she was doing, out of interest?

As I said I have mixed feelings, im on the fence with it.

People are weirdly swayed by behaviour they think is odd....look at how Amanda Knox's neurodivergent behaviour worked against her.