Irresistible: why we can't stop eating

[TinyMouseTheatre]

Anyone watching this on BBC2?

This is a link to a recording of the adult cvt lecture that accompanied the children's lectures. Starts about 20-23 mins in iirc

vimeo.com/970781843/2b14eb4692

I don't know if it's on iPlayer.

Gained from an upf fb group.

There's a good page to follow that lists upf foods - it's useful as there's more out there that's "ready meal" than you think.

Sainsbury's pizza bases are upf, kids were already eating those weekly with tinned tomatoes, basil and grated mozzarella on top and I was chuffed to find out the base was ok!

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I've always been someone who tries not to have too many chemicals in food and never had diet drinks etc, but I still found a lot of ways to cut more out

That's really good. Just don't ever tell me that wine is an UPF!

Of course the elephant in the room is how much power the food industry have over our Government, I mean they must have because every Government always seems scared of upsetting them? Is it lobbying? Donations? As a nation our health will continue to suffer until our politicians take the food industry on.

Jason's brand sold in Tesco (and elsewhere I imagine) is good.

There often are non-UPF or heavily reduced alternatives to stuff but they cost much more money. We cut out most UPFs a while ago and I was able to find alternatives to most stuff if I was willing to pay for it and spend the time reading labels.

Thankyou. It seems ironic that I can't buy the "fresh" bread in the shop as I tend to prefer that but need to buy a packaged one!

Bread really does seem a minefield and I'd like to get it right as we eat a fair bit.

We have lidl and tescos near us are any of their bakery breads ultra processed free?

This is definitely on my to-watch list - I just thought the timing of it being on TV could have been better. Put it on in January when a lot of people are in the mindset of starting new habits / being healthier etc... not in November in the run up to Christmas when most people do the opposite and over indulge!

That said, I'm a huge fan of Dr Chris and have read his Ultra Processed People book - highly highly recommend - and will watch his Christmas Lecture too.
Everyone needs to be made aware of what we're eating and why, and the negative impact it is having.

Lidl fresh sourdough is pretty good. They are quite evasive with their ingredient lists.
https://lidl-bakery-ingredients.tiiny.site/

Tesco sourdough bloomer Ingredients
INGREDIENTS: Wheat Flour, Water, Salt, Malted Barley Flour.

This list is too short, it should have the added B vitamins and some fermented starter. I presume it's fine

All white flour in the UK must be sold with added B vits. Even organic flour. So I presume they didn't feel the need to add this to the list. But theoretically I guess they should have?

Governments will stand back, especially during a CoL crisis because they won't want to be the ones in charge when food becomes less cheap and therefore inflation rises. Also, you can't go after farmers (eg IHT changes) if the population is thinking about the desirability of food containing more real ingredients.

I am struggling with the fact that Greggs provide breakfasts in some schools.

It's key to remember that CVT says to aim for 80% UP free.

Somewhere (perhaps CVT or another health body) say UP Cereals and breads aren't seen as "bad" as many of the other foods. And they are an important source of fibre and the b vits in the U.K., especially folic acid. (And what I tell my self when I see the Greggs provided breakfasts at school.)

I really don't understand why soooo many people drink Diet Coke. But as CVT has pointed out in one of these Xmas lectures, all the ratings are green. Because we've no traffic light system for chemicals/ UPF. I've noticed in the last 10 years or so it's near impossible to get a mixer in your G and T that's not diet. I have to be very specific to ask for "normal" tonic.

I don't want to make my son (12) ott worried about food, but I did show him that Xmas lecture clip about Diet Coke which can be found on face book and TikTok. We live near a spar and all the more independent kids are constantly getting diet drinks full of shit. I'd rather the boys had normal coke full of sugar than fake coke! ( we dont really have it.)

One thing I had no clue about was juices that are supposedly from fruit (concentrate.) I'm not sure that's strictly UPF but it's very sugary. that's been a big change we've made at home. We always had it watered down but it's still a big sugar hit.

Everyone needs to be made aware of what we're eating and why, and the negative impact it is having.

Whilst I agree, It's yet another way to divide the population. The cheaper food that many with much lower incomes rely on is UP.

The companies that are making millions from the shit food need to be held to account by governments.

In the longer run it could also help reduce nhs costs.

He's so kind in the way he never blames the large or poor person. He really does ooze kindness.

I am v. Fat and low income and have fatigue t feels a constant uphill battle...

You can make lots of meals cheaply if you have time/energy...
Or convenience from waitrose if you have money.

But if you have low energy and low money it's really really hard. I want to try though.

Fruit juices aren't generally UPF but check the label. Sugar isn't evil so there's no issue in having a glass of fruit juice. They can be very acidic though so have them with a meal rather than in between eating.

@TinyMouseTheatre and others
what programme is this referring to on BBC2
Id like to watch it

It's the title of the thread "irresistible - why we can't stop eating" a one off with Chris Van tulleken who wrote ultra processed people.

Them he's doing the RI lectures soon too!

Here's a link: Irresistible: Why We Can’t Stop Eating: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0025gqs

Those some might find this helpful. from an article by Liz O Riordan about breast cancer risks. Vegan upf doesn't seem to be as problematic

"One Lancet study last year that looked at over a quarter of a million adults in Europe found those who ate the most ultra-processed foods (UPFs) had a 10 per cent increased chance of developing cancer in their lifetime.

That takes a woman's lifetime risk (if they live until they’re 80) from 40 to 44 per cent.
But this risk only increased with animal-based products and things like artificially sweetened drinks and breads.

Plant-based UPFs like falafels, vegetable spreads, and vegan burgers had little impact.

Evidence to date suggests you'd need to be eating vast amounts of UPFs per week to influence your risk."

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14210971/eat-beat-breast-cancer-expert-diet-tweak-disease.html

Yes, I agree with this.

At least the ban on junk food advertising (hopefully) coming into force should help.