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Umbrella Academy 4

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HungryWombat · 10/08/2024 21:03

Anyone watching??

I seem to have momentarily forgotten everything that's happened and what they remember from previous versions and what's going on 😂.
It did get odder and odder.... I do like it though!

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TheNameIsDickDarlington · 12/08/2024 19:11

BehindTheSequinsandStilettos · 12/08/2024 16:48

Yeah, I'm not going to look at it too closely.
It's timey-wimey stuff.

1989 they're all born
2019 reunited (all meant to be thirty at that point) 5 reverts to a 13 year old body then ages normally.
1963 JFK timeline
2019 Sparrows timeline
2024 five years after losing powers (all now meant to be thirty-five years old except for 5 who is now 18 years old)

Cast in real life isn't that far off:
Elliot is now 37
Tom is 39
David is 34
Emmy is 35
Robert is 36
Ritu is 35
Aidan is 20

In fairness, because Aidan plays mature old man so well, the love element between him and Ritu (18/35 in this, 20/35 in real life) worked - especially as we'd seen Five survive with the mannequin and it was all about survival for Ritu: in the couple of hours they were away from the 2024 timeline, he'd have ended up 25/her 42). She definitely complains about finding a grey hair "not there either". She was also concerned her children wouldn't "love her so much" - it is Five who reminds her that for them, she hasn't been gone, it's only been a couple of hours.
But I don't know why they didn't age them up in the sequences then revert them on the return.

Edited

Five also lived to be a... 60ish year old man while in his apocalypse tineline and working for the commission sort of aging/existing outside of the standard timeliness so I thought the actual age thing could easily be overlooked.

I did really like the 5/Lila story and wish we had more episodes to see what happened when they were back.

It did feel rushed to me, maybe with 10 episodes we could have seen more of the characters. I love Klaus and felt like he was all a bit pointless and wasted in this series, his storyline just didn't really go anywhere.

Supergirl1958 · 12/08/2024 21:44

Just on episode one, a little confused with the Lila/5 stuff…

love Megan mullaly so far in this as I’m a big will and grace fan!

HungryWombat · 12/08/2024 22:30

If they all die and cease to exist... Won't their families not exist as they won't have had children...

After all those years in the tunnels she then ends up dying anyway.

All so pointless /sad.

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BehindTheSequinsandStilettos · 13/08/2024 02:22

You'd have thought so but they're in the last scene?
Writer mentions it here
'Umbrella Academy' Series Finale: Ending Explained, Possible Spinoffs (hollywoodreporter.com)

ColinMyWifeBridgerton · 13/08/2024 19:31

I hated the ending (spoilers on ending follow this line!).

I hated it because it seemed like one of those ending written almost out of spite, as a fuck you to the viewer and characters. Not only is it sad with no redemption, in a show that has given to indication at all that it's gearing up to be a tragedy, but the whole season seemed designed to personally make each character's story as tragic as possible. They carefully avoid making their lives so bad that the sacrifice still seems bad, but give them the most depressing arcs I've ever seen in a TV show that was supposed to be lighthearted.

In case anyone is interested, here is the evidence....

Diego: Throughout the series he has been chronically undervalued and underappreciated by his family, until he meets Lila. We are supposed to believe that because he complains about a job that doesn't give him time to piss, and a family where his beloved wife sneaks around and gaslights him, he deserves to be cheated on and die thinking his wife doesn't love him. Worse, Lila's main source of unhappiness is her alleged hatred of domestic life - yet her life with Five is domestic as it gets, dreamily watering strawberries in flowery dresses. Diego has always envied Five's job and life, making the betrayal even worse. The show screws him by leaning into his worst fears: that he's inferior to his siblings and undeserving of Lila's love.

Luther: his big theme is isoaltion. He was stuck on the moon and has always just wanted to forge genuine positive conections with his family. The only person who has ever loved him dies and his family acts like it never happened. On his deathbed he asks them to share some positive moments and they all mock him and refuse.

Five: lives a whole life alone in an apocalypse. Gets back and doesn't stop trying to save the world and his family until season 4 (he gets no breaks unlike the others, he keeps time jumping straight to action). He then gets 6 years living a normal life, before getting stuck underground for 7 years and falling in love with a woman who is just using him to pass the time. This man craves love so badly that he was romatically invovled with a mannequin, and his whole purpose in life has been to save his family - so the show screws him over with an even more painful and one-sided romantic relationship, that costs him loyalty to his familty as well. They also dumb him down by making him unable to solve simple clues that Luther of all people work out, and openly mock him for it.

Alison: wanted her huband, her daughter, and to prove she could get somewhere without her powers. The show make her husband leave her, for no reason and without explanation, and make it very clear that she is nothing without her powers. Then she dies.

Klaus: we've always wondered what a sober Klaus would look like - someone strong enough to face the underworld with a clear mind. Turns out that he's a shrivelling wreck without the drugs, but that's ok, because he can't stay sober as soon as he gets his powers back, anyway. Klaus literally never masters his powers or overcomes his addiction. He just dies, having done nothing this season but become a sex slave.

Ben: whole family murdered, prison, falls in love, becomes the clense, dies.

Viktor: possibly the most self actualised one. Does repair some of the childhood family trauma, even though his carefully reinvented life comes crashing down when Ben spikes him.

Lila: where to even start? Five murders her family when she was 4 years old. She's trapped by the commission, abused by her adoptive parent, is insane, but finds a good partner in Diego. She then gets trapped in a life she hates, then trapped on an underground for 7 years desperately trying to get back to her children. She gets back to her children after 7 long years, and a few hours later puts them in the same underground and waves goodbye forever. Then she dies.

TheNameIsDickDarlington · 13/08/2024 20:37

HungryWombat · 12/08/2024 22:30

If they all die and cease to exist... Won't their families not exist as they won't have had children...

After all those years in the tunnels she then ends up dying anyway.

All so pointless /sad.

Yes I was confused about how Claire existed in that tineline. They'd only been in the tineline 6 years, with no powers.

Yet Claire is a teenager and makes a reference to Klaus being immortal. How would she know that? The Klaus she knows didn't have powers.

Also, without powers, would Alison have had the same husband and therefore the exact same child? The umbrella academy never existed, she clearly isn't a Hollywood star like in season 1 so how would she have met the same husband and had the same child when everything else is different.

ObsidianTree · 13/08/2024 20:41

ColinMyWifeBridgerton · 13/08/2024 19:31

I hated the ending (spoilers on ending follow this line!).

I hated it because it seemed like one of those ending written almost out of spite, as a fuck you to the viewer and characters. Not only is it sad with no redemption, in a show that has given to indication at all that it's gearing up to be a tragedy, but the whole season seemed designed to personally make each character's story as tragic as possible. They carefully avoid making their lives so bad that the sacrifice still seems bad, but give them the most depressing arcs I've ever seen in a TV show that was supposed to be lighthearted.

In case anyone is interested, here is the evidence....

Diego: Throughout the series he has been chronically undervalued and underappreciated by his family, until he meets Lila. We are supposed to believe that because he complains about a job that doesn't give him time to piss, and a family where his beloved wife sneaks around and gaslights him, he deserves to be cheated on and die thinking his wife doesn't love him. Worse, Lila's main source of unhappiness is her alleged hatred of domestic life - yet her life with Five is domestic as it gets, dreamily watering strawberries in flowery dresses. Diego has always envied Five's job and life, making the betrayal even worse. The show screws him by leaning into his worst fears: that he's inferior to his siblings and undeserving of Lila's love.

Luther: his big theme is isoaltion. He was stuck on the moon and has always just wanted to forge genuine positive conections with his family. The only person who has ever loved him dies and his family acts like it never happened. On his deathbed he asks them to share some positive moments and they all mock him and refuse.

Five: lives a whole life alone in an apocalypse. Gets back and doesn't stop trying to save the world and his family until season 4 (he gets no breaks unlike the others, he keeps time jumping straight to action). He then gets 6 years living a normal life, before getting stuck underground for 7 years and falling in love with a woman who is just using him to pass the time. This man craves love so badly that he was romatically invovled with a mannequin, and his whole purpose in life has been to save his family - so the show screws him over with an even more painful and one-sided romantic relationship, that costs him loyalty to his familty as well. They also dumb him down by making him unable to solve simple clues that Luther of all people work out, and openly mock him for it.

Alison: wanted her huband, her daughter, and to prove she could get somewhere without her powers. The show make her husband leave her, for no reason and without explanation, and make it very clear that she is nothing without her powers. Then she dies.

Klaus: we've always wondered what a sober Klaus would look like - someone strong enough to face the underworld with a clear mind. Turns out that he's a shrivelling wreck without the drugs, but that's ok, because he can't stay sober as soon as he gets his powers back, anyway. Klaus literally never masters his powers or overcomes his addiction. He just dies, having done nothing this season but become a sex slave.

Ben: whole family murdered, prison, falls in love, becomes the clense, dies.

Viktor: possibly the most self actualised one. Does repair some of the childhood family trauma, even though his carefully reinvented life comes crashing down when Ben spikes him.

Lila: where to even start? Five murders her family when she was 4 years old. She's trapped by the commission, abused by her adoptive parent, is insane, but finds a good partner in Diego. She then gets trapped in a life she hates, then trapped on an underground for 7 years desperately trying to get back to her children. She gets back to her children after 7 long years, and a few hours later puts them in the same underground and waves goodbye forever. Then she dies.

Yes this sums it up for me. The whole season was mostly depressing.

Just reminds me of the final few episodes of game of thrones where it was ruined.

ObsidianTree · 13/08/2024 20:42

And there was no explanation of where sloane was!

BehindTheSequinsandStilettos · 13/08/2024 23:52

In fairness to Blackman, Netflix only commissioned six episodes.
He apparently wanted to write about Sloane's disappearance but had to cut it along with more material about Viktor/Hargreeve's relationship.

Still curious as to what happened to Train Ben though!

LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 14/08/2024 11:59

BehindTheSequinsandStilettos · 13/08/2024 23:52

In fairness to Blackman, Netflix only commissioned six episodes.
He apparently wanted to write about Sloane's disappearance but had to cut it along with more material about Viktor/Hargreeve's relationship.

Still curious as to what happened to Train Ben though!

Feel they forgot about the train Ben or was just hoping people wouldn't remember.

Five and Lila seemed a waste of time as didn't go anywhere!

BehindTheSequinsandStilettos · 14/08/2024 12:51

LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 14/08/2024 11:59

Feel they forgot about the train Ben or was just hoping people wouldn't remember.

Five and Lila seemed a waste of time as didn't go anywhere!

Five and Lila did make sense to me, given he only survived his first isolation via the mannequin. Dolores was like Tom Hanks's Wilson Grin
So, Lila's also surviving. It was inevitable (no mention as to contraception though, how she didn't get pregnant in that time, assuming their relationship turned physical).
I do know the actor playing Diego, David Castañeda, allegedly joked about being pissed off with that storyline and questioned Blackman as to whether it had to be written in.
He also did an AMA here if any of you are interested Smile
Hey /r/movies, I'm David Castañeda. I play Diego in The Umbrella Academy (season 4 out now on Netflix). You might also know me from Sicario: Day of the Soldado, Most Dangerous Game, The Guilty, and the upcoming John Wick-spinoff Ballerina. Ask me anything! I'll be back at 6 PM ET today. : r/movies (reddit.com)

LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 14/08/2024 17:58

BehindTheSequinsandStilettos · 14/08/2024 12:51

Five and Lila did make sense to me, given he only survived his first isolation via the mannequin. Dolores was like Tom Hanks's Wilson Grin
So, Lila's also surviving. It was inevitable (no mention as to contraception though, how she didn't get pregnant in that time, assuming their relationship turned physical).
I do know the actor playing Diego, David Castañeda, allegedly joked about being pissed off with that storyline and questioned Blackman as to whether it had to be written in.
He also did an AMA here if any of you are interested Smile
Hey /r/movies, I'm David Castañeda. I play Diego in The Umbrella Academy (season 4 out now on Netflix). You might also know me from Sicario: Day of the Soldado, Most Dangerous Game, The Guilty, and the upcoming John Wick-spinoff Ballerina. Ask me anything! I'll be back at 6 PM ET today. : r/movies (reddit.com)

Not so much it didn't make sense more it didn't go anywhere after apart from cause friction then bam bam it's the end.
If had more episodes I guess could've fleshed it out more.

DadJoke · 14/08/2024 18:04

It was very rushed, lacked the character development of the previous seasons, and the villains were underused. The characters lacked agency. It was OK, but a pale shadow of its former self.

ColinMyWifeBridgerton · 14/08/2024 23:23

BehindTheSequinsandStilettos · 14/08/2024 12:51

Five and Lila did make sense to me, given he only survived his first isolation via the mannequin. Dolores was like Tom Hanks's Wilson Grin
So, Lila's also surviving. It was inevitable (no mention as to contraception though, how she didn't get pregnant in that time, assuming their relationship turned physical).
I do know the actor playing Diego, David Castañeda, allegedly joked about being pissed off with that storyline and questioned Blackman as to whether it had to be written in.
He also did an AMA here if any of you are interested Smile
Hey /r/movies, I'm David Castañeda. I play Diego in The Umbrella Academy (season 4 out now on Netflix). You might also know me from Sicario: Day of the Soldado, Most Dangerous Game, The Guilty, and the upcoming John Wick-spinoff Ballerina. Ask me anything! I'll be back at 6 PM ET today. : r/movies (reddit.com)

To me it wasn't so much that it didn't make sense - it did make sense, Lila has always been selfish and Five has always been desperate for love. They're also very similar and well placed to understand each other. And let's face it, seven years is a long time.

The problem I had with it is it was totally unnecessary.

They did it purely because they wanted to give five a love story and were too unimaginative/lacked the time to think up a new person for him, so just gave him Diego's wife instead. Blackman even admitted that the whole being stuck on a subway was just an excuse to make that relationship work. Why are they messing around with a move that fans would hate and ruins three characters lives, and then leave themselves one hour to fix it? Which by the way they don't even do, they have five and Diego heartbroken over her even as they all hold hands and get swallowed by lava.

BehindTheSequinsandStilettos · 15/08/2024 02:58

I think, as said upthread, that they were just pairing them all up differently for different dynamics/resolution. They weren't in those combos before, unless I've forgotten. If anything, there was conflict there.

Allison/Klaus
Luther/Diego
Vik/Hargreeves
Five/Lila

But I agree with the last one, there's no real pay-off
Also I hated Klaus as a germophobe

NowYouSee · 20/08/2024 21:30

I’ve just finished watching it and the thing that bothers me the most was this - in the first episode (yes I went and checked…) it says 43 women gave birth having not been pregnant earlier that day and Hargreaves got 7 of them whose mothers gave/sold them to him.

The final episodes said it was the marigold that made the women/girls pregnant and was inside the children. In episode 1 of season 1 you see it coming out of air vents at a girl. So surely to eliminate all marigold to stop the destruction continuing (hence Laila couldn’t be allowed to survive) you’d also need to take out all of the 43 still alive not just the original umbrella academy.

And yes, yes I am taking this too seriously.

BehindTheSequinsandStilettos · 20/08/2024 21:45

The Marigold inside the Hargreeves siblings was used as fuel for the Oblivion machine Sir Reginald used to reboot reality at the end of season 3 of The Umbrella Academy. He also rewrote the timeline using the machine so that Marigold would never contaminate the 43 children.
So if 8 of them drunk the marigold in the new 2024 timeline (that had filtered through from another timeline) then presumably the remaining unknown 35 still hadn't had contact with it?

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