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Mr Bates vs The Post Office is an ITV drama based on a true story of injustice starring Toby Jones, Julie Hesmondhalgh, WIll Mellor and Monica Dolan.
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Mr Bates vs The Post Office is a hard-hitting ITV1 drama starring Toby Jones, Monica Dolan and Julie Hesmondhalgh among others.

The series details one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in British legal history, where thousands of Post Office sub postmasters and postmistresses were wrongly accused of theft, fraud and false accounting due to a defective IT system.

Mr Bates vs The Post Office follows Alan Bates (Toby Jones), a sub postmaster who decided to fight back against a scandalous miscarriage of justice.

He was one of thousands of sub postmasters and postmistresses who between 2000 and 2013 were falsely accused of theft due to financial discrepancies thrown up by the flawed Horizon computerised accounting system.

More than 700 were prosecuted and several went to prison while others lost their homes and life savings trying to pay back the money the Post Office claimed was missing.

Many were unfairly ostracised from their communities, who believed they were criminals.

In 2009 Alan Bates decided to form the Justice For Subpostmasters Alliance (https://www.jfsa.org.uk/), uniting thousands of his colleagues to
fight to clear their names.

It’s actually quite unusual for contact centre staff- at least native English speakers- to be given scripts to read out. Key words and phrases, yes, but it’s generally considered to lead to a better customer experience if the advisor communicates naturally. It’s also very demotivating for the staff to just be sitting there parroting- although it wouldn’t be surprising if that wasn’t a concern for Fujitsu, though.

If you’re working on a service desk, though, the first thing you do when troubleshooting is ask if anyone else is having the same problem. It wouldn’t be something that would be accidentally omitted.

I had no idea Camilla from Kids Company had been exonerated. Backs up what Sam said to her husband in court in last nights episode that the media wont bother to report that she has been cleared of wrongdoing.

And MSM largely ignored the PO scandal and left it to Computer Weekly and Private Eye then piggy backed on the end later on

I would like to point out Adam Crozier was CEO of Royal Mail Group from 2003 to 2010. At that time RMG included the Post Office.

Adam is now CEO of ITV Ltd - I wonder why he didn’t feature in the series when he was CEO in 2003? They knew in 2002 the Horizon system had Issues.

Remember Alan Bates’s contract was terminated in 2003. Prosecutions started in 1998 and only ended in 2015? Adam oversaw 7 years of unsafe prosecutions. I wonder if this programme is a way of laying all the blame on others?

The very pleasant couple who ran our PO and village shop suddenly disappeared back in the early 2000's and the rumour was they were "caught with their fingers in the till". I often wonder if they were also victims.

I binged the whole series and think it was fantastic. I was aware of the story, mainly from the excellent BBC podcast, but the story was faithfully told and the entire cast was excellent. I was a bit thrown at first as Toby Jones was very like his Detectorists character, Lance. But then I realised that if Lance were a sub-postmaster, he would have behaved in exactly the same way!

Alan bates was offered an OBE but turned it down, said he couldn't accept it after Vennell had been awarded the CBE. He was given a Pride of Britain award, I think it was last year.

I also heard the Writer interviewed on BBC Radio 4 Front Row yesterday evening. She says that all Vennell's lines were taken directly from her evidence/public statements - no imagined dialogue at all. I see from Wikipedia she finally (under pressure) resigned from various diectorships and the priesthood.

(On a separate note, @Blondeshavemorefun , I didn't know about what happened to your husband. I am so very sorry

If it is a way for Adam Crozier to lay the blame with others, it's going to fail. He can't dispute that he was in charge in many of the years when this was going on, and therefore can't dispute that he has to take at least some blame. Although I bet he'll give it a bloody good try.

Adam Crozier is as much to blame as Vennells and if he thinks for one minute that this programme will distract viewers enough that he escapes scrutiny, he is badly mistaken.

Adam Crozier is also responsible for this.

No, he is not CEO of ITV. He left that role in 2017. He was succeeded by the current CEO, Carolyn McCall.

Given that the drama centres around Alan Bates, I don't find Crozier's omission suspicious. It is true that he was CEO when Bates' contract was terminated, but Paula Vennells was CEO when the campaign started to get some real traction. I don't think Bates had any dealings with Crozier, but he definitely did deal with Vennells.

Adam Crozier is Chairman of BT so nothing to do with ITV whilst they made this drama

I’ve signed the petition to strip Paula Vennells of her CBE, disgrace that she was awarded it.
The link to the petition
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/strip-paula-vennells-of-her-cbe

I got sight of my medical records last year sort of by accident because someone else’s record had got lost in mine (have NO idea how) and the surgery disclosed this to me. So I wanted to check all was copacetic and requested my files.

What I found still really upsets me even now.

When I was pregnant with DS, I fainted in the bathroom. Luckily DH grabbed me but not before I fell against the sink, had a huge bruise on my arm. I got an emergency GP appointment and was fine, never thought about it again.

The GP wrote that I had been grabbed by my DH, and that as a result I’d fallen against the sink and had been bruised. I have something of a ‘domestic violence flag’ on my record and I can’t get it changed for love not money. I’m furious, not least because it’s a big fucking lie but more that the locum GP clearly wasn’t listening to a word I said! And no follow up was done. Imagine if I WAS a DV victim and the surgery did fuck all. It still boils my blood.

Just watched episode 3. Honestly, if this was a fictional drama I'd have stopped watching because it would be too far fetched!

@KarenNotAKaren Thats ridiculous stupid and must be bloody frustrating

this is the thread

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4889363-nhs-medical-records-app-shocked-by-what-ive-seen

Having had experience working in the media, quite simply if a reader can’t understand the problem in a sentence or 2 often outlets aren’t that interested. It’s complicatedISH as to why Horizon was giving false figures, and why/how postmaster need to balance their books, and what a postmaster/mistress actually IS - this can put journalists off as it’s more of a complicated read for your average Brit. But industry magazines like Computer weekly have the perfect audience for this

She was.

I normally love Katherine Kelly but her Welsh accent was atrocious

Remember when the honours system went to ‘ordinary’ people like dinner ladies? It was better then than going to random celebrities

This is shocking and getting worse …horrific to see this…

Thanks @OhLittleBoreOfWhabylon

literally watching now. Behind maybe 15m

ans just seen martin kill his self

had a feeling as he got out of the car what was going to happen 🥲

Just realised Lee’s wife is Ethel from Downton - my mind was jogged by Mrs Patmore turning up in tonight’s ep!

So many people lost their livihoods - savings - even lives

Yet still waiting for compensation

And where did all the money /errors go

If the post masters paid the money out of their earnings /savings etx

As jo said last night - where did it go

I don't understand how Ann/Angela
Could just stop /shut down the investigation after the parliament scene

And surely going to Gina and offering her money to drop the case is illegal

If anyone wants to follow an amazing post office account on Instagram follow AnnStreetPostOffice - the postmistress posts hilarious videos explaining post office procedures, today she has posted one about why POs shouldn’t be boycotted following the programme. I love their content, and I’ve learnt a lot about what they do/offer.

So end of e3 going into e4 for tomorrow

They have a solicestor who thinks they can beat them

They have a man confirming that remote access happened overnight

Obv see what e4 shows Tom

But

Why is they have this proof that stil nothing has been completed and payments made

Mediation = stalling tactic

It's just appalling isn't it.

There's a very good podcast on BBC Sounds about this scandal.
'The Great Post Office Trial'
Worth a listen

It's awful All this happened

Paula not helping and refusing to answer the questions

Never have understood has can get info but then be blacked out and redacted so can't actually read it