Fire up the Quattro, ladies...

[SueBaroo]

Alex has.

What I wouldn't give to have him berate me like that. Cor.

Last weeks was a bit meh, but I'm looking foward to tonight..

I noticed that too.

Has no one else other than me mentioned that Shazza made a remarkable recovery?? She was on a ventilator one day when Alex visited and she was in Luigis the next day??

Yes - it did seem a bit odd. I thought at first she was wearing some kind of truss, but it was just a white patent belt.

She doesn't necessarily break any time travel rules if she really has gone back in time and is part of events. I love the way they've left just enough ambiguity to keep us guessing. And it does depends on which 'rules' you're using.

There's your 'space-time continuum we-must-never-meet-ourselves' view of it, but there are also theories of circularity, which posit that if we can travel back in time, then we can't change events from a future perspective, because we're already part of them just by virtue of being there.

And Doctor Who is a naughty bugger for this, because they've never stuck to one view of that, they've had the 'don't touch yourself', but they've also used the circularity thing in 'Blink'. I happen to think circularity is a much better idea.

And thankyou for letting me get out some of my unfinished dissertation on the use of time-travel as a device in fictional media. You may now resume normal service.

I also wonder if Alex isn't there in a Magus sense to be humanised ie she seemed very unlikeable in her RL with no sense of humour & caring only for Molly & Evan. Perhaps in a way she's being taught how to live & feel again.

Is that a naff theory?

eg last week she nearly said Shazza wasn't real then when she died she cared too much to let it go & brought her back to life.

Not a naff theory at all. It's exactly what happened with Sam in Life on Mars - he went back to 1973 in the end because it felt more like real life than his real modern life.

It goes one step further than LOM on the meeting yourself conundrum doesn't it? Sam only ever saw the back of his younger self's head iirc.

Doctor Who... well they met themselves didn't they? Several times. Was the no touching thing a device for getting round that them?

No, the 'no touching thing' was primarily a plot device in 'Father's day' when Rose changed history with her dad's death.

The stories of more than one Doctor meeting have all had fairly disparate reasons.

The thing with Doctor Who is to just wave your hand nonchalantly and say 'Wibbly-wobbly Timey-wimey' at it's all fine.

Although, obviously it was a very big plot element in the Back to the future movies.

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I've no idea what the thread title means, refers to, or what TV programme its about, but I VERY much like it!

"Fire up the quattro!!! Makes me feel all motivated and capable!

Goodbye

Sue have you read "End of Eternity" by Isaac Asimov?

Tiger, no, never read it, but know of it. Fascinating premise (although Asimov is a bit 'hard science fiction' for my taste, if truth be told. I'm a fluff-bunny, really)

I rang my sister up and started talking about last night and she shrieked at me to stop to stop as she hadnt seen it my Mrs Neighbour and her dd[17] were watching and said they were completley spooked when Daddy turned into Ashes to Ashes Chappie!!

Hey, I remember walking out of the first Terminator clutching my head over the paradoxes...(yes all right I am getting on a bit...)
But I am still cross about that anti-Scarman speech. It wasn't necessary.

In LOM PG is taught modern policing techniques and morals etc by Sam, and in A2A he is being taught modern police thinking. Isnt that one of the themes of these series? Maybe they will address it more in the next series?

My theory is that PG is in a coma re-living his life and correcting it with the help of Sam and Alex, but then I may be biased and its not all about PG at all!

I did wonder whether it was all in Sam's head still (you know, crashed his car into a river, but they never found the body).

I watched it again last night, and I actually think she wakes up in 2008 at one point, and she can hear the sound of a road drill.

There's an interesting theory that actually, Molly has been shot and the whole thing is in Alex's head as some kind of trauma-induced mechanism to cope with the shock.

A friend of mine has that theory too, Jackie. Sam is IMO definitely Not Dead.

Oooh - must get that

this made me laugh - a bit old now but nice in the context of having seen all of series 1

Crashing into thread in a slightly less random way than ChocolateRockinghorse, in that I have seen the series but not followed the thread.

Did anyone else almost cry when Alex was talking to Molly (in real life or in her head I do not know) and said, "I learned something today, Molly, something I hope you already know. That my mother loved me." Or am I the only soppy sod?

goergiemama - yes, I welled up a bit in that part.

keepcalm - thanks for that link - I loved it.