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THE WOMAN IN THE WALL. BBC 1 sun 9pm - TV PACE. NO SPOILERS

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Blondeshavemorefun · 21/08/2023 21:56

this is a 6 part drama

1 is shown sun and then 2 on the monday

3456 the following 4 Sundays

it’s will no doubt be on iPlayer but try and not binge lovely people in my phone 😂😂😂

this will be tv paced

Ruth Wilson and Daryl McCormack are teaming up for a gripping new BBC drama, which is inspired by the horrifying revelations around Ireland's Magdalene Laundries.

The Woman In The Wall follows the horrors experienced by Lorna Brady (Ruth Wilson) is a woman from the small, fictional Irish town of Kilkinure, who wakes one morning to find a corpse in her house.

Lorna is chilled to the core as she has no idea who the dead woman is or if she could even be responsible for the apparent murder herself. This is a deadly possibility because Lorna suffers from extreme bouts of sleepwalking, which started around the time she was ripped from her life at the age of 15 and incarcerated in the Kilkinure Convent.

The Woman in the Wall follows Lorna Brady (Wilson), a woman who was incarcerated in a convent from a young age, where she traumatically gave birth – only to have the baby taken away from her to whereabouts unknown.

The awful treatment she endured continues to impact her life, causing extreme bouts of sleepwalking that end with her waking up in strange places with no memory of how she got there.

While her specific story is a work of fiction, the Magdalene Laundries were very real and are thought to have blighted the lives of tens of thousands of women.

Although their history dates back further, more is known about the practices of these institutions in the 20th century, where inmates entered via the criminal justice system, reformatory schools and the Health and Social Services sector.

Once inside, they would have to carry out unpaid labour, while many former inmates have reported being abused.

Magdalene Laundries became the subject of a media scandal in the 1990s, when a mass grave holding 155 bodies was discovered on the former grounds of one such institution in Drumcondra, Dublin.

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JenniferBooth · 29/08/2023 19:06

The Magdelene Sisters film they said that the woman Crispina was based on who ended up in a padded cell died very young of anorexia

I remember the bit in the film where the nuns made her strip and made fun of her weight.

greengreengrass25 · 29/08/2023 19:20

butterpuffed · 29/08/2023 18:53

That is absolutely horrendous @LadyEloise1 . To think that anyone could perpetrate such inhumane acts is harrowing enough , but to know it was by people who called themselves religious is beyond belief .

That's what is so awful about it

PriamFarrl · 29/08/2023 19:23

greengreengrass25 · 29/08/2023 19:20

That's what is so awful about it

It makes you realise that something like The Handmaid’s Tale isn’t so far below the surface.

PriamFarrl · 29/08/2023 19:30

I can’t work out the timeline.

The present day stuff is 2015 and the two girls with babies are what, 15? The two women in 2015 are perhaps 45 at the very most. So that puts the past at 1985. Now granted I don’t know Ireland so we’ll but it doesn’t feel 1985 to me.

RampantIvy · 29/08/2023 19:32

Yes, I was wondering that as well @PriamFarrl

LimeTreeGrove · 29/08/2023 19:41

JenniferBooth · 29/08/2023 19:06

The Magdelene Sisters film they said that the woman Crispina was based on who ended up in a padded cell died very young of anorexia

I remember the bit in the film where the nuns made her strip and made fun of her weight.

Yes, they were making them jog naked and mocking their bodies. Who's the hairiest? etc. And she was being sexually abused by a priest.

RampantIvy · 29/08/2023 19:50

It's no wonder that we are a nation of atheists, given all the atrocities committed in the name of religion.

JenniferBooth · 29/08/2023 19:50

Yes i remember now. Its a long time since ive seen it.

Theblacksheepandme · 29/08/2023 19:59

I always find It strange that a lot of Magdalene Laundry survivors are still devout Catholics.

greengreengrass25 · 29/08/2023 20:13

@PriamFarrl

Yes Handmaid's tale flashed through my mind at the haircut scene

She only wanted to hold her child

It was something done to women in France who were collaborators as well?

Theblacksheepandme · 29/08/2023 20:50

RampantIvy · 29/08/2023 19:50

It's no wonder that we are a nation of atheists, given all the atrocities committed in the name of religion.

Ireland certainly isn't a nation of Atheists. How can one explain that, considering what the Catholic church has put the country through?

Blondeshavemorefun · 29/08/2023 20:57

LadyEloise1 · 29/08/2023 18:29

@butterpuffed in 1975 two young boys playing discovered a hole or chamber filled to the brim with children's skeletons underneath a concrete slab.
They were assumed to be remains from the Great Famine of 1845, unbaptised babies ( who would not be allowed by the Catholic church to be buried in "sacred" 🙄ground ) or stillborn babies.
It took another 35 years + before it was revealed that the Mother and Baby Home at Tuam burial site contained the bodies of almost 800 babies and young children in a mass, unmarked grave.
The death rate of babies and young children in Tuam was found to be almost twice that of other Mother and Baby homes.
I'm hoping that the exhumation of the burial site will start soon and those babies remains will be returned to their families if possible.
It is horrific and I fear Tuam is not the only Mother and Baby home where babies and children were not given a decent burial.
Bessboro in Cork needs to be investigated too, before it is too late and the site is developed.

I visited the site at Tuam, for a vigil some years back. It was a bleak, wet December day but the warmth of Catherine Corless and Peter Mulryan, a child born in the Mother and Baby Home and now campaigner for justice for the children of the home, including his two siblings, shone through.
Heroes both.

So the nuns killed most of the babies 🙀🙀🥲🥲

Why

Why take them away from loving but young mums to kill them

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AutumnSunlight · 29/08/2023 21:57

This is good so far (just watched episode 2,) but I am getting weirdly bothered by how 'young' Lorna has dark brown eyes, and middle aged Lorna has blue eyes! Did the casting agent not notice that? Shock

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 29/08/2023 22:07

Isn't there a saying that goes something like 'there's good people and bad people but for good people to do bad things you need religion'

It's so true.

My dad always used to say Christianity is a great idea someone should try it which is also true. The amount of people who call themselves Christians and then behave in horrific ways is staggering.

Where was the Government when all those babies were dying? How did they get away with it for so long??

SydneyCarton · 29/08/2023 22:21

I don’t think there is any suggestion that the nuns deliberately killed the babies at Tuam, rather that they lived in overcrowded and unsanitary conditions with little or no infection control. They died from illnesses like TB, meningitis, flu etc

PriamFarrl · 29/08/2023 22:25

AutumnSunlight · 29/08/2023 21:57

This is good so far (just watched episode 2,) but I am getting weirdly bothered by how 'young' Lorna has dark brown eyes, and middle aged Lorna has blue eyes! Did the casting agent not notice that? Shock

I noticed that too. There was a scene where it cut from a full face of the young to the old Lorna and it was very jarring.

LittleMonks11 · 29/08/2023 22:41

AutumnSunlight · 29/08/2023 21:57

This is good so far (just watched episode 2,) but I am getting weirdly bothered by how 'young' Lorna has dark brown eyes, and middle aged Lorna has blue eyes! Did the casting agent not notice that? Shock

Maybe she's not Lorna?!

Theblacksheepandme · 29/08/2023 23:29

SydneyCarton · 29/08/2023 22:21

I don’t think there is any suggestion that the nuns deliberately killed the babies at Tuam, rather that they lived in overcrowded and unsanitary conditions with little or no infection control. They died from illnesses like TB, meningitis, flu etc

Catherine Corless tracked down death certificates for nearly 800 children. Eighteen she discovered died of starvation; yes, they were starved to death.

JenniferBooth · 30/08/2023 00:19

Oh my God Absolutely inhumane 😥

Blondeshavemorefun · 30/08/2023 06:07

Starved to death. As a baby. How many days would that take ?and the constant crying I can only assume from their poor babies

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daffodilandtulip · 30/08/2023 06:48

It can take up to a week or more 😢

AnImaginaryCat · 30/08/2023 06:54

Time wise, "current" scenes are 2015. The just in the last episode it was mentioned the babies were born 30 years ago. Making the older parts 1985.

In the first flash back she said that she didnt want to go to the convent as she was just about to start at the tech. So I'd assumed she's 13 in that flash back and was thinking it might be a pregnancy due to abuse. But now u think she's older, however I really don't see her older than 16.

Phillipa Dunne's character threw me for a bit was I thought she to was supposed to be in convent.

There's a few things off with the current setting. Especially in the first episode - in as much as it felt incorrectly set and nothing like Ireland in 2015 but more 1980s. Still can't work out if that is deliberate - the town is supposed to be stuck in the past due to collective trauma.

Mostly though with things that are off in Irish set dramas, it's down to a creator/writer not being Irish. (Though I always wonder why any of the crew who are Irish don't point out these things!)

AnImaginaryCat · 30/08/2023 07:03

As for the humour side of things - I don't see that as bad to be in it. I don't think it's making light of the subject but highlight the general attitude there used to be towards that women.

People had blinkers on not wanting to accept the reality. If you don't take it seriously than its not serious. Especially as accepting the reality of it means society needs to admit that everyone knew the reality of what was happening - might have considered it bad but were compliant or even thought it acceptable.

Theblacksheepandme · 30/08/2023 08:31

Blondeshavemorefun · 30/08/2023 06:07

Starved to death. As a baby. How many days would that take ?and the constant crying I can only assume from their poor babies

It wasn't just babies, it was children as well.

ImTheBakerLiteGirl · 30/08/2023 10:19

Interesting to see Father Ted's Ardal O'Hanlon in a serious role. I dont think I have seen him in anything apart from FT and interviews.

He plays it well

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