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cushioncovers · 05/06/2023 13:05

The Duggars. It's on prime. Anyone else watching. Im fascinated with it.

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GreenCereal · 06/06/2023 22:18

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 06/06/2023 22:15

The book is Jinger

It's interesting that Jill seems very angry but Jinger just seems sad

Jill has also written a tell all, due to be released next year.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 06/06/2023 22:21

Really? Interesting! I'd be really interested in them doing a podcast or project with Megan Phelps Roper. Two completely different "Christian" cults, so many similarities - physical punishment and lack of agency in particular, Megan had to get permission to leave the house well into her 20s

GreenCereal · 06/06/2023 22:25

Yes I can't wait to read Jill's. I think Jinger just seems sad as she's really only traded one cult for another, whereas Jill is quite obviously having therapy (judging by the way her and her husband talked on the show) and while she is still deeply conservative, she seems to be able to explore new things.

cushioncovers · 07/06/2023 07:09

I feel sorry for Anna in a way as she has been stitched up by the Duggars. They knew Josh had issues. Anna seemed so naive. She's stuck now. She has no income so relies on JB Duggar I'm guessing for financial support. She can't divorce and go home to her parents, she can't have another relationship, she's homeschooling 7 children. What a miserable situation. The irony is as they mentioned in the documentary she could actually get a good deal with writing a book or selling story if she choose to.

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aprilshowers2015 · 07/06/2023 07:37

Some of Anna's siblings have escaped IBLP and have publicly offered to help her, even back when the Ashley Madison scandal came out.
I hate their constant insistence that the pill caused the miscarriage of their 2nd pregnancy.
I do feel truly sorry for the girls in the family and in IBLP/other cults. They're brought up to believe all they're good for is breeding. Poor Michael Bates has fertility issues and just keeps praying harder that it will happen, while her siblings around her pop out one after the other. Can you imagine the guilt she must feel that somehow she has sinned to a level that G-d won't provide her with children?
Other such families to follow: Jill Rodrigues (married her eldest daughter to one of Anna's brothers) and Karissa Collins who is so whacked out it's hard to follow.

I have followed the Duggars for a long time, from the sweet, wholesome family that was portrayed on the TV shows to now and I find it utterly fascinating and terrifying.

JustPassingThyme · 07/06/2023 13:00

I do feel bad for Anna, I’m sure she has endured some horrible things. However, despite being a victim herself, she is still able to victimise others. Before Josh went to prison he wasn’t allowed to say in a house with or have unsupervised contact with children, so Anna left her children with Jana Jim Bob and Michelle and spent all of her time staying in another house with Josh. She refused to allow the court to interview her children after Josh was caught and she still brings them to see him. Anna has other options, yet she is refusing to protect her children. So I save most of my sympathy for her children, and the Duggar’s daughters.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 07/06/2023 15:54

It's really messed up that Jana has never been allowed to marry, like the resident slave

cushioncovers · 07/06/2023 16:12

Surely Jana can marry if she wants to?

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EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 07/06/2023 16:14

cushioncovers · 07/06/2023 16:12

Surely Jana can marry if she wants to?

No.

For all the others their "courtships" are heavily arranged. Any interested man has to get past Jim Bob.

aprilshowers2015 · 07/06/2023 16:17

Jana tries to say that she's never met anyone that she felt that way about but Jim-Bob and Michelle couldn't live without her now, especially with Anna and the family living on the property. She will essentially be a sister-mother for the next 18 years until the others are all married off.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 07/06/2023 16:36

Of course no one actually knows but let's say Jana wasn't straight - she's completely trapped in which case

cushioncovers · 07/06/2023 16:50

I have wondered about if Jana is gay or not. I bb feel sad for her if she has to go through life without ever experiencing a loving relationship

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FearTheWankingDead · 11/06/2023 16:29

I am watching this doco now. I like Jill and her husband seems like a good guy (despite Jim Bob the perv cherrypicking him).

Nothingisblackandwhite · 12/06/2023 11:47

I’m on episode 4 . Honestly I wish American wasn’t such screw up when it comes to protect religious cults . Those young kids still with the duggars should be removed from them. Anna should have her children removed from her .
The whole show is so demeaning to women . How can this still be happening in the western world . Nobody is protecting those kids

FearTheWankingDead · 12/06/2023 16:35

I agree that Anna and the Duggar’s children should should be removed. I guess the big problem is that those ‘churches’ are mass producing sex offenders and vulnerable victims that will keep quiet, there would be so many children to remove/protect.

Nothingisblackandwhite · 12/06/2023 19:50

FearTheWankingDead · 12/06/2023 16:35

I agree that Anna and the Duggar’s children should should be removed. I guess the big problem is that those ‘churches’ are mass producing sex offenders and vulnerable victims that will keep quiet, there would be so many children to remove/protect.

That and the fact they infiltrated every position in society , military , police , politicians . So won’t be easy .

CatatonicLadybug · 12/06/2023 21:18

I finished this yesterday and have never watched an episode of any of the Duggars' shows but knew they existed. It was more the specific religious teachings that made me not able to look away. I grew up in the American midwest and although the acronyms don't ring any bells, the specific things that were mentioned totally did. I remember them being really weird even as a kid, the sort of 'where did that come from?!?!' feeling, but I was in a non-evangelical home and I think my mum brushed it off knowing in a teeny-tiny town, debating with evangelicals doesn't really accomplish anything other than making you an outcast sinner.

We definitely had the Cabbage Patch warlock line a lot. I'm too old for it to be Harry Potter they banned but the original Zelda game on the Nintendo (essentially a text adventure game) was seen as really horrible and there were lots of rumours about anyone who had the game. Quite a few families didn't allow Disney films and would go sit in the library if a school teacher played one in class. I even had quite a few of those pinafore dresses with the big collars because they were just fashionable in our little town.

I didn't have any close friends who were homeschooled but many acquaintances, and almost all of them had to cut all ties with non-homeschool/church friends when we were teenagers. Many of them were very skilled musicians and one came to play the piano for a concert when the regular school accompanist was ill. I hadn't seen this kid in a few years and went bouncing up to say hello, and his mother physically put herself in the way to block the path and instructed me I was not to speak to her son at all because I could not be trusted. I was totally the nerdiest kid in my school and I was playing a violin concerto. Probably wearing a pinafore dress with a pilgrim collar. If she thought I couldn't be trusted, well, a lot of the teenage population were just pure trouble then!

But honestly, growing up with that all around me it was just seen as 'these people are extra Christian' and now I am so very curious how widespread that specific 'institute' was in my hometown.

(TBF I lived geographically closer to the Phelps family and we did not consider their followers 'extra Christian' and definitely considered them really mean when they were out picketing things like funerals. So there were some lines drawn somewhere!)

motheroreily · 12/06/2023 22:08

I am pleased Jill is living a happier life. I can't understand how she still has a Christian faith. But I guess she knows no different.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 12/06/2023 22:17

To someone brought up in a hellfire and brimstone environment - rejection of faith (and I suspect she has started) must be a TERRIFYING prospect

That's basically what Jinger is saying that she was constantly petrified that she was somehow about to offend The Lord with her every act or word.

motheroreily · 12/06/2023 22:30

I agree @EineReiseDurchDieZeit. I was bought up in an evangelical church. Not the same as the duggars but alot of similar beliefs like women submit to men, not being straight was a sin, you go to hell if you're not born again and definitely no sex before marriage.

I left about 16 years ago. I'm an atheist now but it toom time.

WilmaFlintstone1 · 13/06/2023 08:57

Oh holy hell, what did I watch and why have these abusive arseholes been platformed for so long?

Thise poor kids brainwashed from birth. Am amazed Jill has been able to get away. I could have cried seeing her minimise the abuse on that talk show they
persuaded her and her sister to do.

And as for that footage of the creepy bloke demonstrating spanking….just yuck. More abuse from abusive men controlling women and children.

And Jimbob straight up lied during the trial of Josh, he needs to be charged for that.

Anna Duggar’s kids and the younger of the Duggar kids should be removed for their own safety. Anna has basically sided with him, she’s refused to allow her kids to n interviewed by child protective services. Let’s be real here, you do t get the kind of images Josh had without providing some in return. If Anna has put him before the safety and welfare of her children then she doesn’t deserve to call herself a Mum.

FearTheWankingDead · 13/06/2023 16:42

If she’s allowed visits with him in prison she will continue to have more babies with him.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 13/06/2023 19:39

Though I agree that Anna Duggar's children should be removed, Anna herself is greatly to be pitied.

Trained up in an IBLP household with no education and to the sole goal of breeding, I bet her family were DELIGHTED when one of the leading families asked about courtship,

She was pregnant within 30 days and has had 7.

Whilst this was going on Josh was caught cheating on Ashley Madison, then there was the multiple molestation scandal and then the child porn conviction.

Some footage shows her OTT gazing at him the way Michelle does to Jim Bob. She will doubtless be being brainwashed that she has no choice but to stick to her vows or she has broken her covenant with God.

I bet 100% that she has been told that some of this is her fault and she obviously wasn't doing her best as a wife, but she can show this now by standing by him.

She has no means of earning and 7 kids. She is basically her PILs hostage.

cushioncovers · 15/06/2023 06:37

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 13/06/2023 19:39

Though I agree that Anna Duggar's children should be removed, Anna herself is greatly to be pitied.

Trained up in an IBLP household with no education and to the sole goal of breeding, I bet her family were DELIGHTED when one of the leading families asked about courtship,

She was pregnant within 30 days and has had 7.

Whilst this was going on Josh was caught cheating on Ashley Madison, then there was the multiple molestation scandal and then the child porn conviction.

Some footage shows her OTT gazing at him the way Michelle does to Jim Bob. She will doubtless be being brainwashed that she has no choice but to stick to her vows or she has broken her covenant with God.

I bet 100% that she has been told that some of this is her fault and she obviously wasn't doing her best as a wife, but she can show this now by standing by him.

She has no means of earning and 7 kids. She is basically her PILs hostage.

Completely agree

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