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Tom Daley It’s illegal to be me BBC

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BiscuitLover3678 · 10/08/2022 15:23

Did anyone else watch this?

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whataloadabullocks · 10/08/2022 15:32

No, was it interesting?

Bluebellbike · 10/08/2022 15:59

I watched it. Yes it was teally interesting but also very sad.

BiscuitLover3678 · 10/08/2022 16:41

I haven’t watched all of it yet but it is interesting. He’s trying to work out how to help change things through sport but it’s not easy at all.

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BiscuitLover3678 · 10/08/2022 16:42

He (quite rightly) feels horrible about the fact half the countries in the commonwealth games still have it illegal to be gay

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HermioneWeasley · 10/08/2022 16:46

It seems to have entirely passed him by that this is decided on the basis of the sex of your partner, not their identity.

Romeiswheretheheartis · 10/08/2022 19:02

It seems to have entirely passed him by that this is decided on the basis of the sex of your partner, not their identity.

???

In 3 of the Commonwealth countries the penalty for being gay is death by stoning. Horrific, in 2022.

BiscuitLover3678 · 11/08/2022 09:37

HermioneWeasley · 10/08/2022 16:46

It seems to have entirely passed him by that this is decided on the basis of the sex of your partner, not their identity.

seriously?

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AllyCatTown · 11/08/2022 09:43

I’m skeptical that a British man lecturing some former colonies about how to behave is going to have any effect. Likewise having men kiss at the commonwealth in Glasgow (don’t know if such a thing was done in Birmingham) isn’t going to do anything in these countries. It’s just for us to feel good about ourselves. If anything it could be detrimental.

Don’t get me wrong it’s horrible the way gay people are treated.

neshtastic · 11/08/2022 16:01

HermioneWeasley · 10/08/2022 16:46

It seems to have entirely passed him by that this is decided on the basis of the sex of your partner, not their identity.

Indeed. He's got his agenda and that's it

BiscuitLover3678 · 11/08/2022 19:27

AllyCatTown · 11/08/2022 09:43

I’m skeptical that a British man lecturing some former colonies about how to behave is going to have any effect. Likewise having men kiss at the commonwealth in Glasgow (don’t know if such a thing was done in Birmingham) isn’t going to do anything in these countries. It’s just for us to feel good about ourselves. If anything it could be detrimental.

Don’t get me wrong it’s horrible the way gay people are treated.

I think he’s genuinely trying to help and that’s why he actually asked people instead of doing what he originally thought of banning the games in certain countries. I agree that it can feel helpless, but it’s surely better than nothing!

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BiscuitLover3678 · 11/08/2022 19:28

neshtastic · 11/08/2022 16:01

Indeed. He's got his agenda and that's it

Did you seriously watch that and that’s all you could think about?

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BiscuitLover3678 · 11/08/2022 19:29

I also think the other sporting events need to start acting as well and maybe this will start a trend.

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user1471453601 · 11/08/2022 19:32

@HermioneWeasley I'm sure you'd take great comfort, while being stoned to death, that it was the sex, not the identity, of your partner that caused your death

neshtastic · 11/08/2022 19:54

Yep, I think he loves himself

neshtastic · 11/08/2022 19:54

user1471453601 · 11/08/2022 19:32

@HermioneWeasley I'm sure you'd take great comfort, while being stoned to death, that it was the sex, not the identity, of your partner that caused your death

You've missed the whole entire point, completely

Sulusu · 11/08/2022 19:58

I thought it was pretty good OP.

I think he will at least get his wish that none of the countries, where it's illegal to be gay, will be hosting the games in the near future.

Unlike F1 and FIFA.

drbuzzaro · 12/08/2022 14:01

It was horrifying. What got me was the way some of the people interviewed thought nothing would ever change.

Simonjt · 12/08/2022 16:11

drbuzzaro · 12/08/2022 14:01

It was horrifying. What got me was the way some of the people interviewed thought nothing would ever change.

Talking as a Pakistani I don’t think it will in my lifetime.

There are similar views in Pakistani that being gay (especially men being gay) is something that white men do to us, the forces used similar tactics as slavers, sometimes it was women, sometimes it was men. So again there is a strong view by some that by being gay you’re on the side of the oppressor. You have to remember this was going on in what is now Pakistan until the 1950’s.

After independence Pakistan went for extreme conservatism as a way to protect itself from Britain and British influences. The negative effects of both partition and British rule are still felt in Pakistan, I have living relatives who were assaulted by British soldiers, I have living relatives who had their lives destroyed by partition. Until we get to a point when British rule and partition are simply a part of history, I really don’t think anything can actually change. I would very much like it to change before then, but I don’t think it will. In Pakistan there is a general rule that you can’t actually be gay and Pakistani and it is a belief held by many people.

Until British rule being gay wasn’t an issue, obviously there weren’t protections in law or anything, but it didn’t bring shame on a family, it didn’t lead to people being coerced into a straight marriage etc. Much like other colonies in the Asian subcontinent homophobia was very much taught and heavily promoted to children under British rule.

The green party are trying to make changes, but there really the only official ‘organisation’ that are keen to actually ensure rights in law, make being gay legal etc. There are better views in young people, but speaking out can mean losing your job, causing shame which prevents your family working, your siblings or cousins marrying etc.

Sport does have a huge issue with homophobia (and in many racism and sexism), we’ve only just had players at Manly refuse to play with a rainbow stripe on their shirt as it goes against their religious beliefs, yet their happy to advertise gambling, if it was an issue of religious belief and not homophobia they would say no to gambling sponsors on their shirts and they are happy to work on a sunday! We had Israel Folau in 2019. Me and my team mates have been abused by players who are embarrased when they lose to us (gay team) because we’re not proper men, I had to leave an RFU championship club because coach was no longer willing to play me when he found out I was gay. Things are getting better in rugby, my mate plays for Batley and is openly gay. But in other sports we have a long long way to go, and this is in the UK where generally laws are pretty much almost where they need to be. If footballers are too scared to come out in the UK, if kids are too scared to tell their parents, imagine those same people in Pakistan, Brunei, Kenya etc.

Sonny Williams wouldn’t wear anything LGBT, however he also won’t wear anything with a gambling sponsor on, an alcohol brand etc. Thats fine because he isn’t being a hypocrit, he isn’t picking and choosing which bits of his religion to adhere to.

In football we have a huge problem of homophobia amongst fans (and other problems), studies show a signifcant number of football fans would be embarrassed or ashamed if their favourite play was gay.

BiscuitLover3678 · 12/08/2022 17:06

neshtastic · 11/08/2022 19:54

You've missed the whole entire point, completely

Yep. Just as bad as the TRAs.

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drbuzzaro · 12/08/2022 17:07

countries where gay people can be stoned to death by the government should not be allowed to host

BiscuitLover3678 · 12/08/2022 17:08

Simonjt · 12/08/2022 16:11

Talking as a Pakistani I don’t think it will in my lifetime.

There are similar views in Pakistani that being gay (especially men being gay) is something that white men do to us, the forces used similar tactics as slavers, sometimes it was women, sometimes it was men. So again there is a strong view by some that by being gay you’re on the side of the oppressor. You have to remember this was going on in what is now Pakistan until the 1950’s.

After independence Pakistan went for extreme conservatism as a way to protect itself from Britain and British influences. The negative effects of both partition and British rule are still felt in Pakistan, I have living relatives who were assaulted by British soldiers, I have living relatives who had their lives destroyed by partition. Until we get to a point when British rule and partition are simply a part of history, I really don’t think anything can actually change. I would very much like it to change before then, but I don’t think it will. In Pakistan there is a general rule that you can’t actually be gay and Pakistani and it is a belief held by many people.

Until British rule being gay wasn’t an issue, obviously there weren’t protections in law or anything, but it didn’t bring shame on a family, it didn’t lead to people being coerced into a straight marriage etc. Much like other colonies in the Asian subcontinent homophobia was very much taught and heavily promoted to children under British rule.

The green party are trying to make changes, but there really the only official ‘organisation’ that are keen to actually ensure rights in law, make being gay legal etc. There are better views in young people, but speaking out can mean losing your job, causing shame which prevents your family working, your siblings or cousins marrying etc.

Sport does have a huge issue with homophobia (and in many racism and sexism), we’ve only just had players at Manly refuse to play with a rainbow stripe on their shirt as it goes against their religious beliefs, yet their happy to advertise gambling, if it was an issue of religious belief and not homophobia they would say no to gambling sponsors on their shirts and they are happy to work on a sunday! We had Israel Folau in 2019. Me and my team mates have been abused by players who are embarrased when they lose to us (gay team) because we’re not proper men, I had to leave an RFU championship club because coach was no longer willing to play me when he found out I was gay. Things are getting better in rugby, my mate plays for Batley and is openly gay. But in other sports we have a long long way to go, and this is in the UK where generally laws are pretty much almost where they need to be. If footballers are too scared to come out in the UK, if kids are too scared to tell their parents, imagine those same people in Pakistan, Brunei, Kenya etc.

Sonny Williams wouldn’t wear anything LGBT, however he also won’t wear anything with a gambling sponsor on, an alcohol brand etc. Thats fine because he isn’t being a hypocrit, he isn’t picking and choosing which bits of his religion to adhere to.

In football we have a huge problem of homophobia amongst fans (and other problems), studies show a signifcant number of football fans would be embarrassed or ashamed if their favourite play was gay.

Gosh that’s so awful, I’m so sorry.

It’s really interesting (but horrific) to note that the rape history is similar in Pakistan. It makes so much sense and really isn’t widely known.

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Slothtoes · 14/08/2022 23:41

Thanks for your post SimonJt I didn’t know about that context.

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 15/08/2022 00:07

Generally in the countries where it is illegal to be gay, women are treated horrifically from birth to death. Not something you can hide either.

JemimaPuddlegoose · 15/08/2022 01:14

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 15/08/2022 00:07

Generally in the countries where it is illegal to be gay, women are treated horrifically from birth to death. Not something you can hide either.

Exactly. Half surprised the usual suspects aren't in here screeching "at least they know what a woman is!" Amazing the amount of "GC feminists" who are totally happy for gay people and women to have no rights, just as long as trans people are hated.

It was a brilliant program. Anyone trying to undermine the fight against homophobia by derailing about trans issues needs to give their head a wobble.

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