Pistorious - (free) Prime documentary about Oscar's trial

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Have anyone seen this? What did you guys think?

At the time of the trial I found his version of events completely improbable, however, having seen extracts from the trial in this documentary I must say that the defence's version of events actually makes more sense, particularly because:

1. The defence's timeline is a lot more realistic and ties in with what the witnesses had heard.
2. The next door neighbours (those closest to the house) never heard any arguments between them that night or a woman's screams.
3. Out of the thousands of messages between Reeva and Oscar the prosecution only found 4 that indicated any kind of mild disagreements between them and even those were followed by nice lovey-dovey messages.
4. He was clearly an extremely anxious and paranoid person in constant fear of intruders/hit men.
5. His reaction to her death was so extreme that I thought it came across genuine. It's also supported by witnesses who first arrived at the scene, so it wasn't just for show at court.
6. The police did an absolutely horrendous job contaminating/losing evidence.

I can see why he was eventually convicted of murder rather than manslaughter given that he must have intended to kill whoever was behind the door (whether Reeva or the intruder) but I do now believe that he may have mistaken her for an intruder.

I feel very sad about his downfall from being the poster-boy for overcoming incredible adversity to utter humiliation in front of the whole world. When he was asked to stand on his stumps during sentencing it was quite heartbreaking to watch.

What do you guys think about the documentary?

*violent not couldn’t

I think people's perception of him as being arrogant and entitled clouds their judgment about the actual evidence presented in court

OP, I’m not entirely sure why you’re so hell bent on defending him when actually there was no defence.

He fired 4 bullets through a locked door with the intent of killing whoever was on the other side. He intentionally committed a murder. If it hadn’t been Reeva he’d murdered the trial would simply have had someone else’s name attached to it.

Either way he’s a murderer. The end.

I have repeatedly said that I understand the murder conviction, I just think that his version of events is actually more plausible (on the evidence presented at court) than the prosecution's version

Are you his pen pal or something?

It’s as if you think that if he didn’t murder Reeva it wouldn’t somehow be a murder if there had been someone else behind that locked door.

He murdered Reeva.

Whether he intended to murder her specifically is irrelevant in terms of the trial. What is relevant is the fact that he intended to murder whoever was on the other side of that door.

Personally i think he absolutely knew it was her and that he absolutely murdered her with intent. But the act is no different depending on who was on the other side.

@SlyAvocado No. i have just finished watching the documentary. Maybe something for the future 😂

Yes he's guilty. He was annoyed with her because he asked her to bring the fans in from the balcony and she forgot and he woke up hot in the middle of the night and had to get the fans in himself, walking on his stumps.

She was hiding from in the toilet. How many women do you know who go to the toilet with their knickers up?

@AlternativePerspective You keep repeating what I have already said about 5 times on this thread. I am not disputing the murder conviction! I am simply saying that I believe that he could have made a mistake about who was behind the door

I watched the bbc documentary (3 episodes I think) and agree with you…. He came across as angry and paranoid about safety- he definitely intended to kill whoever was in the bathroom but after watching the court extracts etc I don’t believe he I wanted to kill his girlfriend. Awful for everyone- her family especially x

Why did he keep shooting then? She was still alive I think when emergency services got there, although mortally wounded and dying.

Oh well that’s alright then.

So if he’d thought it was Reeva and murdered an intruder instead would that have been ok?

Seriously your thinking on this is completely warped.

It wasn’t awful for him.

He murdered someone. he intended to murder someone. He should have felt that guilt regardless of who he intended to murder.

He is a dangerous man and belongs behind bars.

Hiding this thread now, because frankly your obsession with defending a murderer purely because you think his victim wasn’t who he wanted it to be is really quite disturbed.

@AlternativePerspective

OP, I’m not entirely sure why you’re so hell bent on defending him when actually there was no defence.

He fired 4 bullets through a locked door with the intent of killing whoever was on the other side. He intentionally committed a murder. If it hadn’t been Reeva he’d murdered the trial would simply have had someone else’s name attached to it.

Either way he’s a murderer. The end.

Exactly this.

The verdict was entirely correct, he murdered the person behind the door, which was what he intended to do. It was deliberate.

The fact that the person was Reeva and not an intruder is not relevant to the fact that he is a murderer.

I always hope these styles of cheap documentaries questioning a murder verdict purely for entertainment and viewers are not seen by those who loved the victims. Justice has been done, wish tv would let the victims rest in peace.

Is this the one that was/is on iPlayer last year?

If not then ignore me but if it is then that documentary was blasted for it's obvious bias towards the murderer and lack of empathy for Reeva.

Regardless of how it happened Reeva was murdered by her partner. An all too common occurrence and no amount of grovelling, self-pity, hero worshipping or money can change that nor should it have had any impact on the outcome of the trial.

@AlternativePerspective

It wasn’t awful for him.

He murdered someone. he intended to murder someone. He should have felt that guilt regardless of who he intended to murder.

He is a dangerous man and belongs behind bars.

This 100%

Yeah he's innocent because a documentary on Prime says so. Just like the two part hour long ones on Luke Mitchell. Never mind the hours and hours of evidence put to a jury that led them to said verdict.

Reeva had sent texts to him saying that he made her feel scared (or words thereabouts). Neighbours heard arguing.

Regardless, he shot many times to someone behind a door that he was under no threat from, and that's before not bothering to check where his girlfriend was (because he did know where she was). The first shot would've been enough to know who it was.

Come on.

I don’t believe anymore that he didn’t know it was Reeva. I was open to his story but having watched the entire trial at the time I think it’s impossible - surely she had been to the loo before in his house at night? And there was stuff about clothes and the housekeeper who heard nothing

@ButYouGottaHaveASkillJeff The documentary doesn't say he is innocent at all. It simply gives extracts from the trial. It gives quite a balanced view of the whole case. And if you have watched the trial and the verdict, what you say is actually completely incorrect. He was acquitted of murder after the initial trial and the verdict I thought made sense on the facts presented at court. The murder conviction came on appeal and even then the judge said there was no evidence of an abusive relationship or that he thought he was shooting Reeva.

So let’s get this straight. You think he was innocent because in your opinion he was accused of murdering the wrong person?

Never mind that he actually did murder someone, because it couldn’t be proven he knew that it was Reeva he should have been found not guilty?

Can you not see how fucked up that view is?

He fired a gun through that door with the intention of killing whoever it was on the other side. It didn’t matter to him who it was, all he knew was that he wanted them dead.

he’s a murderer. How exactly do you defend that even if you believe that he didn’t intend to kill Reeva? Does it matter who he intended to kill? He intended to kill someone, ergo, he’s a murderer.

He’s a murderer, of that there is absolutely no doubt.

I personally believe he knew exactly who was behind that locked door and fully intended to kill her, and this biased documentary didn’t change my mind about that.

I watched the whole trial at the time.

Guilty as fuck.