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Worst Downton Abbey storylines

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DressingGownofDoom · 12/01/2021 14:09

I love Downton but there have been some really awful storylines. Like at least one per episode Grin Think my least favourite is when the soldier guy turned up at Downton pretending to be cousin Patrick, who had survived the Titanic, got amnesia, and his memory returned to him suddenly in a blast in the war, and Edith actually believed him Hmm

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Pyewhacket · 13/01/2021 12:06

Also there would have been at least 70 servants who weren’t allowed above stairs during the day , the house had to be cleaned and fires cleared and reset before anybody was awake, so were rarely seen. Woman had a ladies maid and knew the butler. That was it. They didn’t see or speak to anybody else. The whole Downton Abbey thing is total bollocks.

Toddlerteaplease · 13/01/2021 12:07

The relationships with the servants are far to informal. Daisy just popping upstairs to borrow lady Mary's hair dryer? She would never have dreamed of doing anything like that. And she'd have probably been sacked. Anna carrying on work after marriage? Would never have occurred to her to do that. And a servants baby in the nursery? No chance. The class system was as religiously enforced just as much as those below stairs as above it.

DanielODonkey · 13/01/2021 12:09

I flipping loved Downton with the ridiculous story lines.

My favourite ever scene was just before Poor Mr Parmuk died when they were all riding horses and it genuinely looks like Lady Mary is standing still and doing a pretend GiddyUp. Awful acting and pretend riding. Love it.

Tom being a rubbish terrorist was also fun - we were meant to think he had poisoned the soup when he was just going to shout at the gentry or something.

Red Daisy always made me laugh.

Oh and Lord G paying for Mrs Patmore's laser eye surgery was excellent too. Grin

Toddlerteaplease · 13/01/2021 12:10

"The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate.
God made them high, and lowly and ordered their estate"

Which is exactly how that generation saw the world.

Orgyofsausages · 13/01/2021 12:11

I liked the storyline with Lady Edith and the man (can't remember the name, yet another Rich Toff) who went off to Germany and was never seen again.

I liked the gay butler too, who is he? I always knew he was a good 'un and just acting out Grin

Pyewhacket · 13/01/2021 12:15

The number of people in other countries who believed Downton was real is disturbing.

JamieLeesCurtains · 13/01/2021 12:19

@Wincarnis

The ease and speed of a day return rail trip from York to London.
God yes this. It seemed to take about two hours in Downton time.
PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 13/01/2021 12:22

That was it BentBastard, thank you!

It all pales in comparison to Sybil's dress with divided skirt trousers.

JamieLeesCurtains · 13/01/2021 12:52

Oh and the chamber maid blackmailing Lady Mary and threatening to tell everyone she's a great big slag.

That made me laugh, @JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows Grin

mcdog · 13/01/2021 13:00

I was furious that they killed off Matthew. So much so that I refused to watch the following series' and only caught up during lockdown 1

HelloViroids · 13/01/2021 13:05

@BentBastard is your username from Pride? Sorry not relevant to the thread, just really curious!

BentBastard · 13/01/2021 13:33

[quote HelloViroids]@BentBastard is your username from Pride? Sorry not relevant to the thread, just really curious![/quote]

Not, it's from Line of Duty

corythatwas · 13/01/2021 13:43

Pyewhacket, you're right about the number of servants, which surely is about actor costs, though there is also an ongoing narrative about how cuts had to be made after the war. The number and kind of staff they have doesn't really seem to correspond to the work that has to be done, either: there is no sign of any laundry taking place and after Daisy's promotion they seem to dispense with the scullery maid altogether. Seems like the only washing up that ever gets done is the silver and fine glass, which would have been done by the butler.

There is also much less contact between senior outdoor staff (head gardener) and house staff than you'd expect. Much less contact between these servants and other servants- who are the junior female staff hoping to marry? And the family themselves seem to live an abnormally reclusive life for their day and age.

As for the chauffeur-daughter affair though, I think Fellowes is building on actual events. He comes from an aristocratic background and a lot of the plot lines in Downton are things he has heard from his parent. Here I think one does have to distinguish between "things that would have shocked a certain society" and "things that simply could not have happened in a certain society".

(as a professional historian I've come across this quite a lot- the handbooks tell you what is unthinkable in this particular class/time and then your object of research goes and says and does that very thing)

Fellowes makes it quite clear that it is shocking, that Sybil does rather want to shock her parents (at least at first), she is growing up during the suffragette movement but can't actually smash anything because that's not how she rolls. By the time she runs away with Branson, she has worked as a nurse, treating soldiers, seen all sorts- she is not the sheltered little thing she was.

The hygiene thing, I think, is also a bit of a red herring, given the number of masters who had no difficulty in forcing themselves on their servants and mistresses who tried to manipulate male servants into sex. The Jimmy/Lady Whotsit storyline is perfectly plausible.

corythatwas · 13/01/2021 13:47

But yes, even if we allow that the staff had been reduced to a skeleton due to Lord Grantham's unfortunate handling of money, there seem to be virtually no class distinctions between the staff. Except possibly a tendency in Carson to look down not only on Daisy (who is also low in the hierarchy) but also on Thomas, who seems to come from a more working class background, even when Thomas has made it to underbutler. Carson himself comes from a line of butlers, so is in many ways quite middle-class, and I think Jim Carter brings that out nicely.

In real life, people like Carson and Mrs Hughes would not be taking their meals together with the house boys. They would have a special dining table set in a different room, with white linen and served at table and the works.

Mumtoalittlegirl · 13/01/2021 14:20

Ahh I need to watch this again.

Totally agree I think Sybil could have done so much better, it wasn’t a love story at all! He was awful to her. I think that actress is great, she was in harlots but got killed off in that too!

Yes Bates is soo creepy. They just put the most lovely female characters with totally crap men. I’ve always really disliked Mary. And I was so angry at Edith for what she did to that lady who was looking after her child- that was so heartless the way she was treated. I couldn’t help but think her daughter would have lived a happier life with that family.

Toddlerteaplease · 13/01/2021 14:36

If Edith had just come clean to Mrs Drew it would have made it much easier for everyone. She would have been more likely to let her visit.

Toddlerteaplease · 13/01/2021 14:38

@corythatwas yes. They'd have had the lower servants waiting in them. The senior staff were Called the upper 10 I
Or something like that.

BentBastard · 13/01/2021 14:47

Actually I am inclined to blame Mr Drew most of all in that scenario. He was to eager to please Edith at the start he gave no thought t his wife or the realities of the situation. He served them both poorly I think.

Toddlerteaplease · 13/01/2021 15:13

Yes. And he massively lied to his wife.

corythatwas · 13/01/2021 15:25

He had already nearly lost the farm and was clearly terrified of losing it altogether. He should have told his wife without letting Edith know and sworn her to secrecy. But annoying Edith might for all he knew have endangered all their own children.

BentBastard · 13/01/2021 15:28

Fair point Cory, I guess Edith asked him because she knew he owed them one.

He still should have said something to his wife though and had some consideration for her feelings and managed the situation rather than let it escalate due to constant telling both women what he thought they wanted to hear.

Maireas · 13/01/2021 16:55

I was always hoping Posh Bloke Edith's boyfriend would return from Nazi Germany, having been knocked out by the SA or some such. He just disappeared. What happened?
Also sympathies with Fellowes over the death of Matthew. The actor wanted out, they begged him to stay, he said no, so there was no other option I suppose. Still. Christmas Day...

Maireas · 13/01/2021 16:57

Sorry, it wasn't Nazi Germany, it was Weimar. I meant he maybe fell foul of the Nazi brownshirts.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 13/01/2021 17:02

The newspaper editor.

I've re-watched a couple of times, and still find the one where's she's jilted very sad.

corythatwas · 13/01/2021 17:06

He did, Maireas. There is a scene where the Earl has had info that very strongly suggests it was Nazis.

Tbh I think she dodged a bullet there: someone who is willing to lead a young girl on without telling her he's got a wife in a mental hospital whom he can't get divorced from is not a decent bloke in my books. His plan was quite obviously to start a relationship with Edith, with no regard for the damage that would do to her, and then let her find out afterwards. No sense of duty towards her, none at all to his wife. When he died he left no provision for his wife, as far as we know, and as for leaving his property to Edith- what is that supposed to do to her reputation?