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Daisy Goodwin, I know you will be reading MN this morning, so go away now and go watch this instead.

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kiskidee · 07/10/2007 09:51

caring for babies caring for parents

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Theclosetpagan · 07/10/2007 14:44

Helen Somebody (apologies if she reads this as surname escapes me) reproduced my comment in her column (yesterday's Times) about "taking pot shots at the silly cow" (CV).

She did rather miss the point though - seemed to think we were all getting het up about regimented childcare versus the go with the flow approach. Of course this is not what the fuss is about. The fuss is, instead about the complete disregard of all research showing the vital importance of affection in development of a baby's brain.

As such CV needs tackling and deserves all the vitriol she gets.

AitchyBabesHugz2AllUHunnis · 07/10/2007 14:46

totally agree with you both, and i can understand the impulse in a way. don't get me started on all the bullshit 'oh the bbc lied to us' bollocks either...

moondog · 07/10/2007 14:50

I just read over my ethics notes (based on current legislation) for my work as a behaviour analyst.

I'd be sacked on the spot for treating people in this way.

The fact that we are talking about babies and not walking talking people makes it even worse.

Tamum · 07/10/2007 14:53

It was Helen Rumbelow, TCP, talking the usual shite and missing the point spectacularly.

FluffyMummy123 · 07/10/2007 16:26

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3andnogore · 07/10/2007 16:44

Slayer, actually this is the MN quote in teh article:
"As one Mumsnet post puts it: ?Watching Claire Verity abuse other people?s babies in the name of ?routine? makes my blood boil. She should be prosecuted under child protection laws, it?s disgusting.? "

So, not someone in favour!

Pruners · 07/10/2007 16:45

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3andnogore · 07/10/2007 16:47

ooops...posted that before reading your next post, where you realised this already!

laurliemonkey · 07/10/2007 18:34

what i don't think daisy goodwin's seeing, is that the problem is not 'routine' per se. its the idea that in order to have a routine you must totally distance yourself from your baby.

(this is my first post btw, been watching these topics for a while in disgust, and ocassional amusement)

Tamum · 07/10/2007 18:40

Welcome laurliemonkey, and excellent first post

AitchyBabesHugz2AllUHunnis · 07/10/2007 18:47

welcome, laurliemonkey. i think it's also completely disingenuous of her to say that anything is proved by the fact that the parents continue to use the CV method when she knows that all of the parents continued with the methods they had chosen. it would take a brave mother to rebel against her husband, mentor, camera crew and the producer of the show (who happens to have a book coming out). completely meaningless and she has nothing to be proud of.

Tamum · 07/10/2007 18:49

Quite, Aitch, and it's not as though the parents were randomly assigned to a method in the first place, is it- if they were mad enough to choose CV to begin with then it's not terribly suprising that they continued.

Tamum · 07/10/2007 18:49

allegedly mad

harpsicorpsecarrier · 07/10/2007 19:56

so the entire programme is just one long plug for her book !
how can anyone stoop so low? is money really that important to her that she cares nothing for the welfare of babies?
and her article in the Times is truly a masterpiece in obfuscation.

"As responsible programme-makers we observed due diligence on this for Bringing Up Baby and there is absolutely no scientific evidence that following a routine in infancy has any deleterious effect on the psychological health of the child.

well that may be so but this programme is not about being in a routine is it? So enirely beside the point. the pratices shown in the programme do have a deleterious effect and there is scientific evidence. In spades.

"There are some aspects of Truby King?s routine, such as putting a child in its own room, which are now challenged by cot-death charities such as FSID, which advise mothers to keep babies in the same room for the first six months, and the programme makes current guidelines on this clear. But apart from that there is no hard medical evidence to suggest the Truby King approach poses any threat to a baby?s physical or psychological health."

Oh how revoltingly mealymouthed. so apart from advice to reduce the risk of babies dying, there is no reason not to follow this advice. NOT TRUE by the way.

shame on you, Ms Goodwin.

kiskidee · 07/10/2007 20:23

here is another geeky link for you Ms Goodwin
scroll to
Saturday, November 11, 2006
Disembodied from the beginning

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laurliemonkey · 07/10/2007 21:29

also, the comparison with the furore over foxhunting, and that she hadn't been expecting such major debate around childrearing. yes, noone remembers the GF thing... i wasn't even a member and i was hearing about it all the time.

plus the thousands of pieces of research into childhood deprivation, which i was reading at 17 for my a level psychology and thought at the time 'well thats obvious'.

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