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Bouledeneige · 27/04/2020 20:05

Binge watched it yesterday and loved it. Emotional, passionate and two really great leads. Thoroughly recommend it (so long as you don't mind lots of love scenes). Cried lie and felt bereft when it finished.

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ProggyMat · 02/05/2020 20:45

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ProggyMat · 02/05/2020 20:58

@Rollergirl11 I would binge watch again with my DD (currently 16) even if she were 14.
Neither of us would have resorted to gouging our own eyes out with a rusty spoon if ‘Normal People’ had been televised earlier and we had watched it together. We both think the fact that young women’s first sexual encounters are still being framed as ‘loosing virginity’ quite scary.

Kenworthington · 02/05/2020 21:02

Oh man I LOVED it. Totally binged watched it

supercee · 02/05/2020 21:30

I've just finished it. I hated it. I liked it. My opinion changed every episode. Can there be a spoiler thread?! I found it mainly frustrating but it kept me watching.

Querlouse · 02/05/2020 21:31

Tbh it was nice to watch something with dd20 without dd14. As I've said, my 14 year old wasn't in the slightest bit interested. She's still into ponies and mountain bike videos. All are different!

user1481840227 · 02/05/2020 21:55

@BlancheDuBlah, Oh yeah the family dynamics completely set up the character in the book.
I just wish it wasn't being painted as a wonderful love story which people would love to recreate, without at least mentioning that the way Connell treated her initially had the potential to cause her great harm, and that it may in fact have caused her harm.

@Wbeezer

I suspect a grown up Marianne might learn more about herself and how that may have impacted her, even if it doesn't change the way she feels about him.

It's clear that Connells mother thought his behaviour towards her was horrible and that he needed to be aware she was vulnerable, and that was with the limited information she had pieced together.

Wbeezer · 02/05/2020 22:07

I think it's being portrayed as a very compelling love story, which it undoubtedly is, which isn't the same thing as a wonderful love story.

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 02/05/2020 22:25

I've a 14yo dd and am glad I watched it when she was in bed! She has watched lots of stuff with adult themes but I can't imagine either of us would be comfortable with watching that much sex in front of each other!!

I suppose if Connel had been nice from the start there wouldn't really be much of a story... it's a story of making mistakes, growing up and working out who you are. They obviously had a connection and really did love each other, I hope they do stay together eventually.

Trews2019 · 02/05/2020 23:33

@Rollergirl11 Thanks for recommending Modern Love - it’s great!

guineapig1 · 03/05/2020 08:44

Finished it last night and on the whole I really enjoyed it. Both leads did an amazing job, I really felt for them both - it really took me back to being eighteen - twenty. I felt that the ending was a bit flat though. I’m not sure that he would actually have gone to New York (and unless I missed something how he would have funded it?). I think he’d have felt that New York was one step too far given how he’d struggled in Dublin. And was she staying because she still had a year left at Trinity? That would be more believable but then what why did he say she could go too and work or study? If she had finished at Trinity why (funds aside) would she not go with him? She’d have had to find a job given that presumably she was no longer being supported by her mother and the student life as she knew it would end as all her friends would be moving on to other things too.

Interested to read about the book containing their internal monologues - will give it a go!

It did make me wonder whether the end is left open for a sequel!

Querlouse · 03/05/2020 09:06

He won't come back. He wants to be liked. Can you imagine how much they'd love him in New York?! A gorgeous, talented Irish writer?!?!

HolyWells · 03/05/2020 09:41

I think it's being portrayed as a very compelling love story, which it undoubtedly is, which isn't the same thing as a wonderful love story.

I don't see it as a love story in the conventional sense at all. They're both on their way elsewhere, they are each the ones who launch the other towards their real lives.

By the end of the novel, Marianne has become a 'normal person'. No one stares at her on campus any more, she's not gossiped about. She's cut herself off from her abusive family (and it's never stated, but the fact that she now has a PT job, lives in scholarship accommodation in TCD and eats in the dining hall suggests she no longer accepts their money either). Her scholarship will cover a postgraduate course. She's free.

Connell is on his way to becoming a writer, editing the TCD literary magazine, and has been accepted onto an MFA in NY -- but this is all because of his literary friend Sadie, who encouraged it, just as Marianne encouraged him to apply for English at TCD. He hasn't even told Marianne he applied, and she doesn't want to go to NY with him, anyway.

The last scene of the novel has them acknowledging their love for one another as a given, but also, from Marianne's POV:

'All these years they've been like two little plants sharing the same pot of soil, growing around one another,contorting to make room, taking certain unlikely positions. But in the end she has done something for him, she's made a new life possible, and she can always feel good about that.'

And she also thinks that, whether Connell returns from NY or not, they will never get back again what they have now, but that he's done more for her than she has for him, he's cured her of feeling 'unworthy'.

The very end is Marianne setting C free to go to NY (when he's still asking her to tell him not to go and he won't -- she's being the adult here):

'They've done a lot of good for one another. Really,she thinks, really, People really can change one another.

You should go, she says. I'll always be here. You know that.

Wbeezer · 03/05/2020 10:16

I agree, its not a conventional love story, thats probably why some people dislike it, it doesn't have a romantic conclusion.
Good analysis @HolyWells, you have reluctantly shifted my feelings over to the better apart camp. I married my first love (after various ups and downs and dramas) so I'm a bit over invested. Were still together after 36 years, the connection is still there and I dont have any big regrets but i do still think about some of the forks in the road and the paths not taken, i never found it easy to make thise decisions. In my life i chose to join DH in "New York" and it was not an easy option for me.
Dont know why I'm sharing all this! The combination of lockdown and watching this and reading the book have had a strong effect on me!

Wbeezer · 03/05/2020 10:27

Sorry for any derailing.

magicroundabouts · 03/05/2020 13:53

I loved it! I binge watched the series and then read the book last night.

I have a slightly different view of the ending. I love how they are now able to reassure, challenge and call each other out and the way it links back. They have both come so far and yet they are still the same.

Connell’s anxiety about what others think of him/his career is still evident. He felt embarrassed to tell Marianne about applying to New York in case she thought him deluded, but he is able to understand those feelings now and admit them to her even if he can’t yet be upfront from the get go. She is able to reassure him and gently push him forwards. The course will be good for him.

The effects of Marianne’s traumatic upbringing are still there. She still constantly tests him, asking if he loves Sadie for example. He is able to call her out on it now though and, although it is clearly still hard, she is able to trust in his love for her.

It also felt right that she doesn’t go to New York with him. That she is secure enough in herself that she can say I don’t want to go and it will be ok. That step feels so important for her, with her specific history, and necessary if they are to move forward together.

guineapig1 · 03/05/2020 15:11

Yes absolutely - and understand why it ended the way it did. I just struggle to see that he would have actually gone to NY on his own iyswim. The anxiety wouldn’t have just disappeared when he got on the plane

pawsforawhile · 03/05/2020 23:37

Anyone else totally fall in love with Nerina Pallot S version of love will tear us apart?

I found everything about this series incredibly emotional and moving including the music .

Wbeezer · 03/05/2020 23:56

@guineapig1 that's a young person's reaction, he's feeling better now and can't imagine being in such a dark place again, the optimism of youth.

Trews2019 · 04/05/2020 00:13

I know it was necessary for the plot but how did he afford the car whilst at school?

DidoLamenting · 04/05/2020 00:19

Hated the book.

The quote below is pinched from common The Guardian's television review and applies equally to the book.

Haven't felt so crushingly bored waiting for something to happen to some teenagers I couldn't care less about since the Blair Witch Project

Wbeezer · 04/05/2020 01:11

@Trews2019 in the book it says he worked in the petrol station for two and a half years to pay for it.

cushioncovers · 04/05/2020 07:46

Anyone else totally fall in love with Nerina Pallot S version of love will tear us apart?

Yes I loved it and put it in my play list Smile

cushioncovers · 04/05/2020 07:48

He won't come back. He wants to be liked. Can you imagine how much they'd love him in New York?! A gorgeous, talented Irish writer?!?!

My thoughts exactly

Querlouse · 04/05/2020 08:03

Anyone else totally fall in love with Nerina Pallot S version of love will tear us apart?

No,.I thought it was a fucking travesty and had to turn the sound off.

covetingthepreciousthings · 04/05/2020 08:57

I know it was necessary for the plot but how did he afford the car whilst at school?

I was presuming he worked a lot, I think it was shown that he had two jobs at one point in a petrol station and a restaurant? But don't know if that was at school or uni.

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