Living Undocumented

[100PercentThatBitch]

Is anyone watching this Netflix series?

It's a bit of a headfuck

It's about real people who are living in the US illegally under threat from deportation

I find myself forming an opinion on whether they should stay or not and now feel judgy

I watched it all. On one hand the USA has as much right as any other country to defend its border and have conditions of entry. We don't see any programmes being made about Russia for example. However obviously the system has been "Trumped" and is now fair game.

I find it hard to agree with a lot of the harder line decisions being made and some of them are quite bizarre in a "rulz iz rulz" way. For example, the complete ban on applying for legal status if you've ever been caught entering illegally, even if it was 30 years ago and you were very young and you've since lived, worked and paid taxes as a model citizen. Seems there was more of a blind eye turned to some cases in the past and that discretion is no longer allowed.

It's a really balanced documentary, I'm not sure how intentional that is because I think the makers are anti Trump but it really highlights that there is a strong argument in some of the cases shown for them being repatriated IMO

A case like the military wife is very clear cut to me, that she should stay, but some of the others less so

One or two , I have to say, I was baffled by their sense of entitlement maybe ?

I think I'm a bit of a softer touch than you :o

I think that the desperation that some of them have is clear and it's sad that they have gone to such lengths and then are back to stage 1 or worse as they have used up the cash they had.

That family that was still receiving threats and yet the dad was returned was a strange decision.

I'll be honest Vinny pissed me off

He WAS documented and lost his right to remain because he was selling meth.

Yet he still thought he should get a SECOND chance even though the rest of the people shown didn't even get that massively lucky to start with just because he "found Jesus" or whatever

I do have sympathy but I don't think it's enough to say :

"My country is poor. I'm a good person. I want to live in America and therefore I should be allowed, or I've been living here illegally for x years and therefore if you don't let me stay you're mean and cruel

It's a very simplistic outlook, with a playing victim edge to it

My reaction has surprised me because I'm a natural liberal 😂

Why didn't the Colombian family get right to remain under Obama which was a much more lenient administration ?

Yep, finding Jesus doesn't do it for me as an atheist... I can't remember all the names soI get them muddled up.

I've no idea really re the columbian family, they seemed to have done everything they were supposed to and checked in every year with immigration. I wondered if it was because the dad didn't speak english? That would mean he couldn't pass a citizenship test?

As I say, I think this was meant to make you hate the trump administration and to an extent it does, but it's more about the stupidity of everyone doing as he says rather than engaging the brain and doing what is right. And also that they could make this about any country really, should we all just have open borders and let anyone come and stay even if they are not contributing?

I mean I know it was hugely undiplomatic of Trump to say "shithole countries" but that's what the reasoning boils down to.

Why don't you want to live in Honduras?

Because it's lawless, no work and full of corruption

Aka

A massive shithole

And they have my sympathy they really do but they aren't America's problem, and to come back having been deported once... I can only imagine how frustrating it feels to Americans to hear people talk about the American dream as though it is a categorical international right and it is egregious to be denied it

But then most of those people were immigrants too.

I quite liked listening to the women - I cant remember if it was one of the lawyers (not the bible bashing ones) who said that people believed that there was a queue that people could join and then come in legally and that's what people should do but she said that from some countries the queue was 30 years long, and that was with sponsors in the country.

I have no desire to live in the USA, I would view a lot of it as equally as much of a shitehole :o

people moan about this country, and don't get me wrong, there are things to moan about, but at the end of the day we have it pretty good.

I have to say the bit when Luiz's lawyer had her leg broken was quite horrifying. Unbelievable if you weren't actually watching it, but the entrapment aspect of that was so obvious it was ridiculous that the two lawyers fell for it

Those two lawyers were a bit weird - it's almost like they were more caring about saving a soul for Jesus than actually being lawyers. It was awful what happened but just shows you don't need brains to be a lawyer.

Some of the decisions were quite baffling.
The military wife?