Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Telly addicts

His Dark Materials

905 replies

AllGoodDogs · 19/07/2019 22:50

New BBC adaptation, looks so good, can't wait Grin trailer here -

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10162256439035553&id=683285552&sfnsn=mo

OP posts:
UrsulaPandress · 04/11/2019 13:01

But the daemons are the story ........

Beveren · 04/11/2019 13:05

Am I the only person who didn't really like the books?

I didn't mind them, but didn't find them compulsive and have no wish to re-read them. Fantasy isn't really my thing, I hated Bored of the Rings and have never got into things like Game of Thrones. Someone kindly gave me whatever book it was that Pullman produced last year, and I looked at this hefty tome and thought "You know what, life's too short" - and gave it away.

I watched some of this, but I'm afraid I again came to the conclusion that I had better things to do with my time and abandoned it. I completely accept that that doesn't mean there was anything wrong with it, it simply isn't my taste.

DarlingNikita · 04/11/2019 13:26

It felt very BBC.
Yes, this was my main impression too.

I was underwhelmed, TBH. It was all very lavish to look at but quite samey in mood and a little pompous: lots of 'this is epic!' music and everyone looking a bit constipated.

Ruth Wilson wasn't glittery or untrustworthy enough. And James McAvoy is too short and dark for Asriel (it should have been Paul Bettany).

I thought Lyra and Roger were both very old-fashioned child actors, disappointingly: mannered and stagey.

Ruth W's daemon looked ludicrous. Like a funny monkey mask.

I don't think I'll be watching any more.

Those saying it's antitheistic, it's more about the problems with the institution of religion than with personal beliefs.

KitchenDancefloor · 04/11/2019 13:54

Thanks Rev Schaden.

I was put off from reading the books with my DC after watching a Pullman interview where he put his position for his storytelling as there is a divine power that is not benevolent and losing its authority so it seeks to control. Interesting that that can be construed as apologetics as I think it was far from his intention.

I thought it would confuse my DC to be presented with such an opposing world view at a young age. I was fine with things like the Harry Potter series which still has a strong good vs evil theme.
I never really thought about reading the books for myself until this TV series appeared. Now that I have my strictly-thread hero's seal of approval I shall crack on and read them!

I also heard him on R2 a couple of weeks ago when he said Lyra was nothing special and there is one like her in every class he taught. I'd be a bit disappointed as a fan if an author was so dismissive of their protagonist. But as I haven't read the books yet I have no idea if Lyra is supposed to be unique/a heroine/anti heroine.

Windbeneathmybingowings · 04/11/2019 14:05

She’s meant to be very strong willed and complete her destiny as though it was her freewill. She has “more freewill than anybody I’ve ever seen” I think the book says.

She’s wily, makes friends easily but is kind of unstoppable as a force. Somehow she manages to have an army of armoured bears and teams of gyptians and witches fighting her corner, and it’s not just because of her prophesy, she’s also formidable herself.

I am just retreading the chapter “the lost boy” and everyone is marvelling at her bravery. I really like book Lyra.

Windbeneathmybingowings · 04/11/2019 14:09

there is one like her in every class he taught

I think by that he means there is always one little girl that just can’t be told!

MirandaWest · 04/11/2019 14:12

I enjoyed watching it - is ages since I’ve read the books though. I looked away at the trailers at the end - don’t know why they put that part there

Pantalaimon88 · 04/11/2019 15:04

@PopcornAndWine what quote did you have at your wedding, just out of interest? Smile

However, I don't think he's against religion per se, more the way that a faith makes it to easy to justify cruelty and coercive control of others

I would agree with this. I remember years back reading an interview with PP where he said he often wondered when he was writing the books if he was going overboard with the anti religion stuff, but every time he felt that way there’d be another story in the news about priests and nuns abusing children, genital mutilation in the name of “god” and other awful atrocities, which always reinforced his anti religion stance.

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 04/11/2019 15:06

Am I the only person who didn't really like the books? I find them laboured and heavy handed. And the machine animals in the last book were just awful, like the worst of A level english essays

Not just you, Trewser. I love Pratchett, adore The Dark is Rising, enjoyed LoTR, Chronicles of Narnia and HP, but although I persevered through the HDM trilogy I found them exactly as you did. It felt as though I was being constantly hit over the head by the message "this is an allegory! Do you see? It's an allegory! Look how clever this allegory is! Does it remind you of Paradise Lost yet?"

Trewser · 04/11/2019 15:16

Omg i love the dark is rising. Think im going to read them again

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 04/11/2019 15:20

Trewser if you ever find the 1990s R4 adaptation of the eponymous second instalment - it occasionally pops up on streaming/torrent sites - do give it a listen. They did a fantastic job of capturing the atmosphere of winter and The Dark. Far better than that terrible Americanised film version.

Trewser · 04/11/2019 15:24

Ooh great tip. I'll add it to my r4 want list along with the Pilgrim stories and the Chimera series

DarlingNikita · 04/11/2019 15:49

he said Lyra was nothing special and there is one like her in every class he taught. I'd be a bit disappointed as a fan if an author was so dismissive of their protagonist

It's not necessarily dismissive to recognise that a fictional character is flawed/ordinary. In fact I think it's rather refreshing, especially in a genre (as much as he writes in a genre) where clearly 'good' heroes and heroines, and antiheroic characters, are more usual. I find Lyra more relatable for being flawed; she's human.

PopcornAndWine · 04/11/2019 16:44

@Pantalaimon88 it was from the chapter The Dunes and begins "I'll be looking for you every moment, every single moment..." best not give the context as would be a bit spoiler-y!" Smile

SurpriseSparDay · 04/11/2019 17:32

Torn Halloween Grin ... I found the original three books compulsive, mind-altering reading (Will, and the gay angels are three of my all time favourite characters in all fiction,) and the two Book of Dust volumes so far published reasonably absorbing in different ways - I guess it was impossible the TV series could live up to expectations.

The daemon statues across the rooftops of Oxford were a nice touch.

Both Lyra and Roger looked too well fed and secure somehow. Someone above mentioned old-fashioned child acting and that seems exactly the right description - apart from the cgi I could have been watching this in the 1970s. They were directed as if for a costume drama rather than a metaphysical conundrum.

It’s a shame I’ve never found James McAvoy or Ruth Wilson terribly attractive and find them woefully miscast here. And although I rejoice at Clarke Peters as The Master of Jordan the accent he’s using is the most puzzling thing I’ve ever heard - distractingly so.

On the other hand, and disagreeing with several pps, I absolutely loved every single one of the Gyptians. They were perfect, aurally and visually. I don’t think I can bear the loss of Billy.

As was the Magisterium. Lord Boreal was far too young and beautiful - but this isn’t a complaint. And the Magisterium architecture was a wonderful sight.

The dearth of visible daemons was a major disappointment and made the whole thing rather unconvincing. Surely their tangible, crucial presence was rather the point of the books?

I’ll probably stick with it. But only in desperate hope of Will in the next series.

Honeyroar · 04/11/2019 18:08

I forgot to record this last night.

I'm another who didn't like the books, well I didn't mind them, I just detested the ending! My two friends that had introduced me to the Harry Potter books suggested this as a good follow up, they both loved HDM, but it didn't grip me. I'm hoping I like the series more. It's rare that it happens, I usually prefer books, but I didn't like the Game of Thrones books, yet loved the scree, version.

SurpriseSparDay · 04/11/2019 18:10

Halloween Shock People still record things???

Igneococcus · 04/11/2019 18:27

Where do baby daemons come from? Do they just materialize when a baby is born? I read the three books and La Belle Sauvage and I can't remember it ever being mentioned.

daisypond · 04/11/2019 18:40

The books are children’s books. I think it’s fine to labour the point in places with the symbolism and themes etc. But unlike the CS Lewis Narnia books, I find HDM very readable as an adult. I loved the Narnia books as a child, but when I tried introducing them to my own children I found them unreadable and badly written.

LittleAndOften · 04/11/2019 19:03

@SurpriseSparDay agreed about Billy. I'm days away from having baby 2 and I've been avoiding any TV or film that deals with nasty things happening to children - I just can't handle it.

I don't want to miss any episodes, but I'm not sure I'm going to be able to cope with that awful separating machine..... Sad

SchadenfiendeUnmortified · 04/11/2019 19:27

I never really thought about reading the books for myself until this TV series appeared. Now that I have my strictly-thread hero's seal of approval I shall crack on and read them!

Bloody hell!

The weight of responsibility is crushing Grin

I've never been a hero before

earlymorningfog · 04/11/2019 19:29

@AllGoodDogs

Thanks for this. Smile I forgot about this. Will get it on catch-up and then set the rest of the series to record.......

earlymorningfog · 04/11/2019 19:29

Never read the books. to be honest.

Honeyroar · 04/11/2019 19:30

@surprise, yes I'm old fashioned and the Internet is sticky and slow here.

earlymorningfog · 04/11/2019 19:37

@SurpriseSparDay

People still RECORD things???

Umm yeah..... What's so weird about that? Confused Digital TV recorders are very common.

www.argos.co.uk/browse/technology/set-top-boxes-recorders-and-satellite/digital-tv-recorders/c:30221/brands:humax/

Are you assuming people are recording things on video cassettes, with a 1980s (VHS) video cassette recorder?! Grin

I record LOADS. (On my humax digital TV recorder!) Smile

Then I can watch it at my leisure, and whizz through all the ad breaks which are mind numbingly boring and/or irritating. (Also, as a pp said, the internet in rural places is not always amazing, and a lot of stuff is not streamed......)

Also, not everything ends upon demand (and if it does it doesn't always stay for long.) So it's not that odd to 'record' stuff!

His Dark Materials