The Case Against Adnan Syed

[Urgh2019]

Anyone else watching. I was a big Serial fan and shocked that he is still in prison.

Ooh! What channel is this on, please?

I watched it. Not a fan of Rabia who was part of production. It's biased and a bit boring tbh. Nothing new to add to the whole thing. I still believe he is guilty and I think he can't and won't ever admit it.

It was on Sky Atlantic

I think he's guilty too. I honestly believe he has somehow convinced himself he isn't though.

I think he murdered Hae Min Lee too. By a process of elimination, I couldn't see who else it could have been. He was clearly very angry when she broke up with him and he was almost stalking her. I didn't know this was on but I'll catch it up.

@Urgh2019 I loved serial, and it left me on the fence about what had happened. Would you recommend it?

The podcast left me on the fence too.
I’m sure there is some doubt now about the phone records placing him near the scene of the body. I think I read that somewhere?

The documentary isn’t great but it definitely places some doubts about Jay and the process of the police department. The lack of DNA testing to corroborate Jays testimony about seeing the body in the boot etc seems very wrong.

I think the most interesting bit was to see all their classmates now.

I too was in the fence after the podcast which means no verdict. Can’t remember all of the details but it was to do with jay knowing where the car was and something else fishy about that car to do with the grass being green beneath it (?).

NG verdict not no verdict.

Anyone who liked serial season one you’d love the Curtis flowers podcast and there have been remarkable steps - most recent episode really good - won’t spoil.

In the dark. Season two. Is the Curtis f podcast. Really good.

@heron the car was found 6 weeks later and the grass underneath in the photos looks green.

Will deffo listen to that podcast

Yes, Jay was never really resolved. I don’t know if that’s because of being a sketchy dealer - it was the car and pings from the mobile tower. It’s all so sad. I felt Hae Lee and Adnan came across as quite likeable young people.

I've just watched the first episode. The visuals are very odd, as if it is aimed at teens, but I suppose they fill the screen when talking heads are down, or when Adna's voice are playing.

I think he's guilty too but he really didn't get a fair shot at having his name cleared. There are just so many questions... Especially surrounding Jay and how he knew where Hae's car was... Although it's very possible/likely he was coached by the PD. And Don the boyfriend, who it was found out after had actually faked an alibi for the time of the murder

And Rabia... I think she is amazing.. She has given so much of herself to help Adnan. The woman is a legend

To me the game was up when they said (on podcast) that he'd been phoning Hae multiple times a day and then after her disappearance (which he supposedly at that point did not know about) 0 times.

Same Irma. After she disappeared he never phoned her one single time. Who wouldn’t do that? If a loved one disappeared you’d call them multiple times hoping they’d pick up for you, not wanting to believe they’re gone. To not even try once?

He was getting updates from her family and he couldn’t call the house. Actually forgive me I was so deep in this at the time and I have forgotten details but I remember thinking the same and then realising that it wasn’t odd that he didn’t speak to her parents. Hmmm I may need to listen all over again ?

I’m a criminal defence barrister and have to say his not calling was a sign as much of innocence. If he had murdered her he absolutely would be calling multiple times a day. Given the planning and sophistication alleged by the prosecution that really didn’t worry me plus given he couldn’t call her house.

There’s no evidence he did it - in fact both the cell tower pings and lividity evidence indicate that if nothing else the State’s timeline is seriously flawed, and there's No way he got a fair trial.

I suspect it was her actual boyfriend Don who faked his alibi for the day of her death and told everyone she’d run off to California. Why would he do so if he didn’t know exactly when she’d died....

I never listened to the podcast, but I watched this 4-hour doc and came away from it absolutely convinced that he's innocent and the guy who supposedly accidentally stumbled upon her pretty well concealed body along the side of the road could well be guilty. Adnan just didn't seem like the kind of guy who would commit murder and that guy Jay, whose testimony put him behind bars, wtf? Plus, there was no physical evidence against him - absolutely none - and they tested her body, her car, his house, his clothes, etc. So either that documentary left stuff out that incriminated him, or he's as innocent of that crime as I am.

Oh yeah - and that cell tower evidence was bullshit. The cops come out of that doc looking crooked as hell. I'm appalled that anyone can be locked up FOR LIFE on no evidence at all. Just on the hearsay of some dodgy, drug-dealing guy who was almost certainly a police informant (based on the fact that he was arrested for all kinds of quite serious crimes - assault of a police officer among them), and walked away with no prison time.

Yes the lividity. The alibi witness not called (subject of many appeal stages).
The white van outside the dvd shop. jay knowing about the car.
The grass under the car.
The cell pings.
All really unbelievable thin when you need to get to ‘sure’.