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Louis Theroux BBC2 9pm

51 replies

BridlingtonSand · 04/03/2019 16:49

Looks like a new one and sounds fascinating and sinister.

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RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 04/03/2019 21:59

features.yaledailynews.com/blog/2018/10/05/khan-and-his-consort/

HoraceCope · 04/03/2019 22:00

I have as just about to say inconclusive, but, then the credits rolled!

GarethSouthgatesWaistcoat · 04/03/2019 22:01

I wish this had been a 90 minute programme. I would've liked to hear Louis interviewing more people/ cases.

sagradafamiliar · 04/03/2019 22:03

Scary the level of narcissism that guy has.

Lumene · 04/03/2019 22:06

Love a bit of Theroux

SaffaQueen · 05/03/2019 10:47

Yikes, that was fascinating. Thought there was something a little off about Saif but now I think he may be a controlling, manipulative narcissist. Scary.

HoraceCope · 05/03/2019 11:38

Bit disappointed in the program, bit salacious and felt set up

MsTSwift · 05/03/2019 11:41

Didn’t feel in the least sympathetic to that awful man crying because he hadn’t got away with anal rape Hmm. I believe the women why would they lie?

torthecatlady · 05/03/2019 12:40

Yeh, I take back what I said of the man crying at the start. It's seems like he was pretty manipulative.

torthecatlady · 05/03/2019 12:41

Was also really moved by the lady who moved to the uk who told her story. That was very brave of her and imagine a lot of young women have been in her situation.

2rebecca · 05/03/2019 19:20

Strange programme. I didn't have much sympathy for ?Andrew who seemed to have decided to drop Khan in it after being sexually snubbed and maybe rejected when he was no longer useful. Khan seemed to be a high functioning sociopath used to buying and lying his way out of trouble.

Loopytiles · 05/03/2019 19:23

Given that so few rapists are brought to court and found guilty I’m pleasantly surprised that (some?) universities are making independent decisions.

HoraceCope · 05/03/2019 19:32

The university decision making is changing though isn't it, thanks to trump, or did I misunderstand

MinisterforCheekyFuckery · 06/03/2019 09:52

Yeh, I take back what I said of the man crying at the start. It's seems like he was pretty manipulative.

The first day I started work in a prison I was told "you'll be able to tell who the sex offenders are, they're always crying". They're very good at crocodile tears.

TheQueef · 06/03/2019 14:42

Just caught up.
Louis just has it. He walked Khan through his version without giving anything away so when he quizzed Khan I think Khan was on the back foot.
Khan thought he had convinced Louis.

BridlingtonSand · 06/03/2019 21:00

I didn’t think this was one of Theroux’s better programs. I think he’s great, but he’s at his best when there’s a bit of opportunity for humour or humanity imo.

Really couldn’t believe Saif thought he was a master manipulator. He was so unconvincing. He was so implausible with the crying/onion line that I laughed at loud. Perhaps that faux naivety works in America?

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RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 07/03/2019 01:26

Theroux is the one who normally plays faux naif in fact then watches as they are hoisted by their own petard.
In this case, it was completely set up so you might have some sympathy with Saif before the 'twist' of Jon Andrews' testimony ( who is equally scuzzy btw - Hanover school found Andrews himself responsible for an allegation of sexual misconduct). Saif is then shown to be unflappable but not credible in his further denials and arrogant in the denouement.
There was more material for Theroux to work with here but it was a decent take-down.

DarlingNikita · 07/03/2019 12:50

I agree that it would have been better at 90 minutes (at least!)

The Saif/Jonathan Andrews thing needed more going into. And the case of the other guy, I can't remember his name, who's being investigated regarding accusations by the woman he described as his 'best friend', seemed tacked on in the interests of balance but dealt with too briefly.

I'd also have liked to see the actual Title IX set-up and process itself looked into more. I am pretty uncomfortable with the existence of a second tier to the justice system, one run by 'specialist administrators' as the programme preview material had it (WTF does that mean?) and, as Saif's lawyer rightly said, whose procedures and decisions will never be made transparent to the public. It made me think of the stuff in the US constitution about a local 'militia' being allowed to mobilise to protect themselves – the stuff that gun fans use to justify themselves. It feels to me too much like vigilantism with a thin sheen of 'officialness' over the top.

On the docu itself, I thought it was fascinating how they set up Saif at first to look vulnerable and confused, then basically gave him rope to hang himself with. The stuff about 'oh really, actors can make themselves cry?' was laughable.

It was also interesting at the point where Louis discovered that Saif had researched him and watched all his programmes, and challenged him about it in his hotel room. I think that's the only time I've seen Louis look angry; in fact, he looked FURIOUS. He also looked furious, and disgusted, when he was driving Saif back from the investigation and Saif read out the 'Invictus' poem he'd started his self-defence with.

Molly Johnson spoke very clearly and persuasively about her experience. She was so impressive. I've read a review criticising the programme, and her interview specifically, but I thought Louis handled it really sensitively and just allowed her the space and airtime to speak.

DarlingNikita · 07/03/2019 12:50

Fuck, that's long, sorry!

2rebecca · 07/03/2019 13:53

Surely if you are accused of a sexual assault and a TV documentary maker wants to film you going through it you would research them though? I'm just surprised having researched Theroux he said yes as he usually drops people in it and would pick up Andrews' involvement.
If I'm accused of anything dodgy and am not completely innocent I wouldn't want reporters near me especially not bright ones.

DarlingNikita · 07/03/2019 17:01

Research them a bit, maybe, yes. But he'd watched ALL of Louis's previous films. Louis's face was a picture –I swear he was thinking, 'God, I wouldn't put my worst enemy through that' Grin

I think he was arrogant enough (Saif, I mean) to think he could outwit Louis. He did seem somewhat puffed up in terms of his self-regard. When he said, introducing the poem, 'I first heard this when Obama read it at Nelson Mandela's funeral.'...

He looked properly shocked when confronted about it in the hotel room. I think he really thought he was going to get away with it.

WendyCope · 11/03/2019 22:36

Louis was excellent. It was very clear who he thought was guilty here.

I believe him.

WendyCope · 11/03/2019 22:37

Louis, that is!

Deathraystare · 12/03/2019 19:04

Yikes, that was fascinating. Thought there was something a little off about Saif but now I think he may be a controlling, manipulative narcissist. Scary.

Didn't trust him from the start. The 'Princess Di' head tilting and the tears.

AnnoyedByAlfieBear · 12/03/2019 21:20

I didn't like Saif from the start. What sort of man goes back for sex with a woman who has been vomiting?? He said he didn't think she was that drunk, so the alternative is that she was ill and that's still wrong!

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