The Ted Bundy Programme on Netflix

[BartonHollow]

Is anyone else watching?

I can't understand how he escaped so many times once in custody and how all these murders were happening in different states and it was only once questioned in one state whether it was the same guy as the first state but in Florida they seemed baffled at who could be doing this when there was an escaped murderer on the loose.

Making me think of the old quote "men are afraid women will laugh at them, women are afraid men will kill them"

Nearly 40 women and it feels like a tenth of them would have lived without strategic failures.

I never knew anything about Ted Bundy, apart from cultural references so watched this completely unaware of what he did exactly.

I was actually gobsmacked they allowed this man to represent himself in court and make a mockery out of the law like that. What the hell was the judge thinking allowing that? Those poor women.

The funniest moment when the journalist described going to his parent’s house and telling them what he’s done, and the mother whimpered and then offered everyone apple pie and icecream . I’m sure the woman knew exactly what her son was capable of and what he had done.

I watched this too. Have a fascination for psychopaths. They didn't go into much detail about his murder techniques other than the bludgeoning/strangulation/rape and ultimately murder. I seem to remember reading /seeing on other documentaries that it was far far worse than that. I found it scary how so many women in the courthouse seemed to be so taken by him. The lady who had a child with him when he was in prison . You couldn't make this stuff up

Bundy changed how experts understood psychopaths his personal knowledge has helped the understanding of profiling

He is a textbook psychopath add in that he is educated, good looking and his appearance is non threatening he looks like a nice guy made him even more frightening like he said they walk among us and we don’t know

I didn’t see him looking dead behind the eyes apart from a flash or anger in court. But I found it interesting that the reporter said that his eyes changed when he started to talk about what he murderer might have been experiencing

Also the women who escaped said she felt uneasy with him from the start - this is what we do often ignore

They had absolutely kept the details of his methods down to a minimum, and some of the things he did during his attacks were dizzyingly awful, but it’s quite right that they didn’t go into it.

I just finished the Ann Rule book yesterday, but haven't seen the Netflix movie yet. I highly recommend the book, but I do think some of the details in it will haunt me for a long time, especially about the Chi Omega house murders and attempted murders. Also the poor woman who disappeared just outside her sorority house, within forty feet according to Ann Rule. And another lady who disappeared inside the hotel she was staying in when she went back to her hotel room to get her book. He must have been so very plausible with his fake leg casts and charming demeanour. He wasn't insane though, he was assessed many times and diagnosed with a plethora of personality disorders, but he was ruled competent. I was firmly anti death penalty (and still am) but after reading what he did to those women I can absolutely understand why so many wanted him to fry.

Just finished this, found it fascinating, terrifying and almost unbelievable. I think they did a pretty good job not dwelling on the more gratuitous aspects of his crimes.

It's crazy how many (known) murders and attacks he committed without being particularly stealthy, using his real name and not altering his appearance at the festival where he abducted two women springs to mind and yet still he was able to remain undetected for so long.

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What angered me was the judge who found him guilty, who said it was a terrible shame and waste of life that BUNDY was going to jail/death! And that he felt no malice to him, as if that was relevant - I bet the girls' parents felt malice, and what about their wasted lives!

I think he was referring to it being a waste that such a charismatic and intelligent man had chosen the vile path he choose.

I thought they should have explained just how fucked up he was and some of the downright disgusting things he did to the bodies of those poor women. He didn’t just murder them, he then went on to commit unspeakable acts against them once dead.

How they portrayed him as a handsome killer is beyond me. The program really pissed me off it was so on his side.

Ted Bundy is a really interesting case, because his good looks, charm, charisma etc jars so much with the crimes he committed, and it really messes with our own preconceptions of 'serial killers' (ie. Unattractive, trench coat wearing loners or whatever).

However, it does seem, like in so many of these serial killer profiles, that the victims are largely forgotten, they just become a wall of pretty faces.

Billy Jensen on Twitter has created a profile of each victim, with a photo, their interests, what they were doing in their lives at the time of the murder. To remind us that they were real women, with real lives and shouldn't just be remembered as 'one of Ted Bundy' s victims'.

Sorry, I didn't mean my post to be as preachy as it came across there!

Yes JellyBears!

That judge, Wtaf

However, it does seem, like in so many of these serial killer profiles, that the victims are largely forgotten, they just become a wall of pretty faces.

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This with bells on. It's as if they are all just another nice looking young woman who happened to be murdered. Their lives are totally devalued. Makes me so angry.

He killed at least 30 fucking women!

The trial footage was jaw dropping. I had to keep reminding myself that this actually happened, it wasn't some bonkers drama. The judge's final words and saying he felt no animosity towards Bundy

Those poor women. It's sickening to think of what they went through, both victims and survivors

I've read somewhere that the Bundy film that's been filmed with Zac Efron is going to be on Netflix. Someone in my Facebook timeline reposted a trailer and put heart emojis presumably because her love of Zac Efron. What troubles me is that the trailer looks so gratuitous considering the magnitude of the crime. That a handsome Hollywood actor has been cast to play a deplorable human being. I really hope that people watch and look up Bundy, rather than watch and just glorify the casting.

The trailer for the film is bizarre, it's like a 'heist movie' style trailer. But again, I think it's all part of the fact that Bundy wasn't your typical serial killer.

I think a lot of people fawning over Zac Efron etc have no idea what Bundy did.

That a handsome Hollywood actor has been cast to play a deplorable human being

But as the Bundy case illustrated, looks and deplorableness don’t have a correlation, except maybe in pantomimes and bad films. Bundy was charming, intelligent and good looking, and in part that is what made him so shocking. It would be a mistake to make him an ugly and pitiful creature, because he wasn’t one. And Efron does bear a resemblance.

I do hope the film doesn’t glamourise him and make him “cool” though; that would be reprehensible.

He seemed to me to be a terrifying combination of narcissist plus psychopath. He could control anyone and everyone and had that judge pretty much eating out of his hand.

I feel the judges are used to seeing people without two brain cells to rub together, so that Bundy had brains in comparison plus Bundy's skillful manipulation had the judge well under his thumb

Absolutely chilling

It's like in the Adams family when they all go to a fancy dress party and Morticia asks her daughter Wednesday why she isn't dressed up and Wednesday tells her she's dressed up as a psychopath "as they look like a normal person"

@BettyUnderswoob that's what I meant by glamorising him - I wouldn't suggest they cast someone who wasn't attractive, but that they've cast an actor who has a massive young following, who perhaps wouldn't understand the magnitude of Bundy or threat to society (I'm thinking teens here) could potentially be in line with trying to glamourise his lifestyle. I think a safer option would have been to cast someone less familiar so the film would garner less of a 'fan' following, if that makes sense?

Yes, it does. I think you're right Butt.
And so soon after The Greatest Showman, there will be a lot of interest from young people in a Zac Efron film.

It'll be interesting to see what this film is like. I hope that Bundy is portrayed as nothing less than a monster.

The trailer doesn't seem to depict much of it and comes across a heist film, which is frankly disrespectful. I think it's supposed to be directed from the point of view of Bundys long term girlfriend Liz. I just can't imagine them going into depth of his crimes in the way it should be to adequately show what a piece of shit he was.

Pen Badgley would be a much better choice than Zav Effron. Looks more similar and plays creepy nice guy v well!

It's hard because Bundy was stunningly handsome and suave and sophisticated. Like Zac Efron. Even though Bundy was actually more Buffalo Bill. If you cast him looking like a serial killer then it wouldn't be accurate.

Hard one.

Pen Badgely would have been a great choice, you're right! He was great as a handsome, charming psycho killer in "You".

However I've just read a few reviews and the general consensus is that Zac Efrons performance is pretty marvellous.