Is this sexual harassment bbc3

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Anyone seen this!

Some of the girls views are terrifying

Is it the one where they work together in a bar? And he just lies about the taxi then gets out at her house?

Yes.

A lot of them seeing was the woman's responsibility to say no!

Yes, watched it with DH yesterday. He'd seen another case study on rape before but this was my first one and I was shocked. Had no idea that the terminology for SH was so involved (when the last lady came in and discussed it). I was sure Ryan would get off but when I heard her describe ALL he did was SH I knew he'd get the book thrown at him - rightly so.

I do think Cat was a pushover and not manager material as she could have said a number of times that what he was doing was inappropriate. I would have said something to a colleague (especially as she'd been there a few weeks by then or my mum/ sister/ friend etc) or at least tested the waters by saying is Ryan normally so touchy flirty?

Some of the views by both guys and girls were surprising. Glad it had a good outcome and for the other two cases who shared their stories.

I don't agree. Why should she have to say something? She made it clear from her body language and also it was a new job. You don't want to be seen as a troublemaker.

It's putting the onus on women. He is 100% at fault.

I do agree but how many times has it been said in court "well did you say something"? And that used to throw SH out. Not agreeing that is right but it just makes absolute sure that he knows it's unwanted. She seemed so out of her depth and wanting to fit in. He was a menace and should have read her first sign that she wasn't interested - the one where she removed his hand. When he mentioned her perfume she gave a little nervous giggle which he may have construed as her liking the compliment so he tried with the hand later.

But he shouldn't even be trying it on like that. If he's interested in her he should politely ask her for a drink and then she can say yes or no. End of. Not all these little subtle attempts that clearly made her feel awkward.

I think it highlights that some woman juat dont feel about to say something.

What was this programme called?

It would be helpful if you include the title in future threads - we're not all mindreaders

TheEfficientBaxter that's what the program is called www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06x0jv5

Just watched it on iplayer now and came to see if there was a thread on it. I really rate Benjamin Zand as a journalist - he did a great series called "The World's Most Dangerous Cities" - but some of the views of both men and women there were worrying to say the least.

I was so glad he brought the barrister in at the end to say, yep - ALL of it is sexual harassment.

But I was quite taken aback by how many of them were blaming her for not explicitly saying: please don't comment on me or touch me or kiss me when I haven't given you any indication to suggest I want it.

I have. Its called "is this sexual harassment"

It's not on proper television until tomorrow night. BBC1, 22:45.

I've just watched it and I think the world needs to know the legal definition of sexual harassment. I certainly didn't know it before this programme.
It's also scary how many of the people thought his behaviour was ok. Even at the end, you could see that some of the men still didn't believe that their behaviour could be interpreted as sexual harassment. They were upset at being 'wrong' in this instance, but they didn't seem to apply what they'd learnt to the wider world and in particular to how their behaviour may be interpreted.
We have such a long way to go before women are not sexually harassed.

Yup. The men seemed to be saying oh well I won't be doing any of that then cos it's illegal not because they realised it was wrong!

Only a couple of the women gave me any hope, and a couple of the men were speaking out quite assertively that the man's behaviour was wrong. The rest just made me despair.

WTF was that one woman going on about? - if I got the gist correctly, it seemed to be that the guy had been acting the gentleman at work and thus had earned the right to hit on her??

I thought it was obvious from the start that Ryan was a dodgy person

I was surprised when halfway through they seemed to change their mind to sympathise with Ryan just cos someone who had been falsely accused had come in and told their story! I didn't get that I mean that doesn't mean Ryan is falsely accused

I found that really weird too. I wasn't sure how the story of one false accusation made Ryan any less creepy.

The story the second person told - the woman who worked for that theatre company - was chilling. It made me feel lucky to work where I do, you know, a place where men treat women as if they were other human beings - and doesn't that show how fucked up everything is? To be grateful to be working somewhere where I get treated like a person and afforded the dignity of not having my genitals talked about?

Was it just me that noticed Cat unbuttoning the new girls top on her first night at work...?! This is directly interfering with a person’s dignity with regard to a sexual intent (as described by the inset lawyer). I’m not disregarding the sexual harassment portrayed by Ryan towards Cat, it was all obviously terrible, albeit a little hammy in the drama. But Cat’s behaviour towards the new employee was also a prime example of sexual harassment in the work place... imho. Albeit an insidious version of it.

No I agree with you! When it showed it I thought that was so inappropriate and I would have felt so in uncomfortable if someone had just done that to me like that! I was really surprised!

No, I was really shocked by that too. Because it adds another dimension to it: why is it OK for her to force the female employee to show more than she is comfortable showing but not OK for Ryan to behave as he does?

I assumed that it was in there for a purpose, and that it was going to get referenced again, but it was just ignored.

I thought someone might say something too

I thought the bbc might have produced a better 'drama' for the debate to hang off. The editing of the participant's comments was cringe too. Like when the bloke who was wrongly accused came in and people changed their minds - it was like watching a school production. I know bbc3 has a young target audience, but why wasn't there a more age diversity in the participants?