Molly and Mack

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I’m confused about Molly and Mack - Mack is Molly’s brother, and her Dad runs the crèche, but her Dad doesn’t look aloud enough to be Mack’s dad?

Yes, I know it’s a children’s show, but I need to know!

Yes HocusPocus7 Ive heard it all before: amazed at so many kids thriving in these households. Im glad you have done a survey of thousands of adoptive kids all over the globe. If you had actually done such a study you would have also recorded the thousands of chidlren abused and murdered in the US and elsewhere by adoptive parents. I get media in my newsfeed everyday of the wonderful experiences adoptees are having in the US and UK. One baby bashed to death by their adoptive dad, little girls choked on milk by adoptive father in US. Happening all the time because adoption is legally approved form of child trade that steals our identities. Its just that our identity as an oppressed minority group hasn't broken on the national consciousness yet in the way that other minority groups have, like LGBTQIP whatever. But we are coming we are furious at being "gifts." And before you say it: I have loving adoptive parents whom I am still close to. I wonder if that confuses you? You might have to think deeper about adoption (and research and study it!). One day it will be stopped and we will care for children without stealing their identities and inheritance rights. But until then you can still feel you are doing a vulnerable child a favour by also taking their name, birth certificate, inheritance rights and legal links to their family ancestry.

My teen DD watched this when she was babysitting a 3 yr old who was obv watching it and got v excited that it was ‘the guy from Raven’.

I posted a message in reply but it appears not to have passed the moderator??? Not sure why. I was just stating the fact that in our global demographic of adoptees we have a large numbers who are victims of abuse within the adoptive family and also there are cases of murder in both the US and the UK. Just reposting this information to see if it gets censored again! The lovely stories people tell of adoption are not worth the price that these other adoptees pay: and its the commodification inherent in state enforced identity change that places children in the inferior position of commodity, making them more vulnerable to being treated as such by adopters. If there is "collateral damage" in adoption then its time it was stopped and other forms of family-based care used where children are allowed to retain their true identities. PLUS apparently the US still has some closed records adoption which is absolutely appalling!

Oh sorry - my last post DID actually appear. Must have been a glitch! thanks Mumsnet for no censorship! (it does happen in many forums!!)

SleepingStandingUp - for children who have to be removed for child protection reasons I believe a sell-funded child protection system should do the job of caring for chidlren. This could include foster care and other forms of family based care - kinship care, guardianship - all of which dont remove a child's identity and re-issue a birth certificate (and in some States forbid the adoptee having access to their own records). Its not family-based care that activists object to: its the other characteristics that are ONLY intrinsic to adoption: disinheritance; fake birth cert's; closed records; vetos; no welfare checks, etc.

Sleppingstandingup: as far as Dinosaur Train went I watched it again and NO there is no indication the egg was abandoned. It just was in the nest like magic as if it has no mother at all (adoption has historically been all about the erasure of the unwed mother - illegitimate babies were "gifts from god" for infertile married couples. Not that being made into a "gift from your own mother" is any better and surro-babies are soon going to know how that feels....). Here's an interesting point: because of the phenomenology of pregnancy, birth and post-natal experience the actual incidences of mothers not actually wanting their own babies is extremely rare: what makes mothers abandon their babies is adoption coercion, poverty, family and society rejection, lack of support services, etc. Very few babies go through an entire pregnancy and birth and then go "oh! I guess I dont really want this baby even though I have enough money and family and society support to keep him or her!"

I wonder what Raven is??

Thinkdeeper - I have a lot of reservations about adoption in some countries, from overseas and surrogacy.

On the other hand for some children being adopted is the best possible outcome, even if separated from their birth mothers at birth. And I know of some wonderful adoptive parents (who have had to deal with babies who are already drug addicts at birth).
I also know people who wish that someone had intervened - even if that had taken them from their birth mother at a very young age. What happened to them in their birth home was horrific.

I really think you need to step back and get more help - and maybe stay off the web if you keep finding such horrific statistics and are triggered.

There are a great many children in foster care who would love to be adopted. Who would love their last name be the same as the rest of their family. Who want to be able to tell friends they live with parents, not carers. I foster. I know children who really struggle with their identity because they don’t feel they belong to either their birth family or foster family. But if they were adopted they would feel more secure. And I know of lots of cases where it has absolutely been in the best interests of the child to have been taken away from their mother at birth. There are also lots of children in care whose mothers were given chance after chance and have suffered terrible abuse that they wouldn’t have done if they had been removed at birth.

I agree with the neonatal mother separation. So many references that offend. At least pepper pig doesnt do this. A lot on adult tv is offensive .
We dont want this happening with kids. On the dinosaur show It was referencing animals laying eggs in others nests like cookoos but the way they humanise animals is confusing

As a single mum, I am very pleased to.say, that the dad is all kinds of yummy.🤣

I thought they were gay parents too-whichever one is the father doesn't look old enough.

I am so pleased others wondered the same!! I caught the episode of her mum dying then thought gay parents too! Hubby thinks I'm crazy but pleased I know the answer x

Molly and Mack are 8 and 18, so I think the dad is perhaps early 40s?

I remember him being Raven on CBBC years ago!

The dad is 39 so was obviously a young dad when Mack was born. This is one of the few CBeebies shows that I quite enjoy. Hate Topsy and Tim's parents so bloody smug and perfect.
I agree the dad is rather nice looking too.

My kids stopped watching cbeebies recently but this thread reminded me of Me Too! Another Scottish toddler treat.

Does anyone else remember Granny Murray??? My eldest dc was obsessed with it. It raised a lot of questions....

This confuses me, I would love to know how the father manages to support the family running the crèche, which must be minimum wage! I'd also love to know how much mac takes each day on his stall as he never seems to cash up at the end of the day. The big hub never looks busy, full of tatty junk!

I saw it for the first time with my DGC and also thought the two guys were same sex parents.

I found the whole thing a bit all over the place, boring and disjointed and rather irritating. DGC also seemed less than enthralled with it.

@BalconyDoor

I always thought they were gay parents

Me too. I even explained to DD that Molly had two Dads.

@Thinkdeeper

Easy to wish to a life without a mother on another human being. Harder to be that child without a mother. We used to have sympathy and compassion for children who lost their mothers and grew up without one. Now its politically incorrect in a world where adult's rights to parent trump child rights. Adoption doesn't "save" anybody. Removal saves them. Adoption merely ensures they have their identity stolen, have their birth certificate faked, are disinherited and severed from all legal rights to their own family and are not provided with any welfare checks once adopted. But the general public usually has little idea that this is what adoption actually is (really it was developed to hide babies of unwed mothers thats why all that changing identity stuff is there.) You can care for children without doing this to them. That is why I am anti-adoption and advocate or other forms of care, including family based care. But thanks for listening to me and discussing nicely as it is very easy to just call me a bigot as I have been called before!!!

Looks like you've made your mind up. My children were removed from their birth parents due to abuse - both physical and drug abuse - and neglect. Birth mother stopped attending contact; children (especially the older one) felt abandoned.

Now they actually live in a "family built on love". I'm sorry you had such a sad experience. I hope our children have a much better one.

Granny Murray, the horrendously bad child minder? DD got into a massive Me Too obsession when she was about 3. When she started to wake up at an unholy hour and this was the first programme on CBeebies in the morning. I watched one episode at 6am where Granny Murray had 1 girl and 2 boys in the house. Then took a different girl to the shopping centre. Where were the other children, Granny?!

I had Tina's pink taxi song going round my head for around 8 months. And the "which way do I go" one any time we went for a walk...

I've only seen an episode or two of M&M and assumed the dad and the younger man were married. And then once the girlfriend appeared assumed the younger guy was an uncle.