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The Thick of It

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argumentativefeminist · 29/06/2018 23:13

Please tell me theres other people out there also still overly invested in TTOI who want to swap theories/swear a lot/discuss trivia? 🤞🤞

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TammyWincyette · 09/07/2018 18:20

I used to be 'in politics' and every time I watch this I see more and more.

Jennyz123 · 09/07/2018 19:28

Ah excellent, glad people don't think I'm making things up that aren't there! Yes I think the seed is there right from the start when you look back on it - in series 1 when Hugh asks Malcolm how he manages to fit it all in and if he ever gets lonely. It's really funny at the time because just imagine asking Malcolm that of all people - but I often think about that bit as the series progress! He has put his entire life into the job - I also think that that is why he does sympathise with Glen during the "I AM A MAN" meltdown - again hilarious but I think Malcolm looks after him at that point because he sees that that "being on the scrap heap" status is his own future, and the future of everyone who puts their own self-promotion above any kind of personal life or wider purpose. It's like when he tells Ollie that he's just "Ben's Glen" - they are all exactly the same and no one stays at the top forever - as he says, it's just a war where all you can do is try and stop the other fuckers from winning for as long as possible. But it's not a real life - I think when he talks to Terri about how hard it all is in series 3 he is genuinely offloading because he can't take keep it all in any more. Anyhoo, that's my grand theory! And you're right bychoice, he is 'so much more than a bully' - and I think all the characters demonstrate how completely appalling humans can be at their worst, but also that those who choose that path will end up utterly miserable! I feel really sorry for all of them because sooner or later they will all be Cliff Lawtons - that's just the way it goes. And all of this whilst being the funniest thing to grace our screens. WHAT A SHOW

sparkling123 · 09/07/2018 19:55

Ahhh funny this thread has popped up for me today, TTOI makes me cry laughing, and I'm just watching interviews outside Westminster thinking when is the next series.

argumentativefeminist · 09/07/2018 19:59

Jenny Baby Snuggly Malc has been sad and lonely and overworked since the beginning. I feel for him. And I really love his fleece. But I think you're totally right about all those moments! The crisps analogy for his brain does make me laugh though, I've had one of those days today.

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Jennyz123 · 09/07/2018 20:41

Ha, had completely forgotten the crisp packet analogy, amazing!!! So so true 😄. My most commonly used TTOI phrase in work though is Hugh's 'Right... we need to do several things... almost immediately' said with complete starey-eyed panic - had a few of those days recently!

bychoiceornot · 10/07/2018 05:55

Just saw that 'The Thick of It' was trending on UK Twitter and for a brief moment got so excited that it could mean a new series or special was announced! Sadly not (I know, it's been addressed lots of times and I get what they all say, but I still dare to dream!) Turns out people are (quite rightly) talking about how the show has pretty much become a reality, our government is a parody of itself. I think I read somewhere that Armando said that it would be hard to write any new material because how can you make up anything as bizarre as the real world of British politics these last few years!!

EllebellyBeeblebrox · 10/07/2018 06:48

I absolutely love it. And there is no better word to describe the current Westminster Brexit shit storm than OMNISHAMBLES!

(Also, the new health secretary Matt Hancock was previously Secretary of State for culture, media and sport, which sounds suspiciously to me like DOSAC...)

EllebellyBeeblebrox · 10/07/2018 06:54

I absolutely love any scene with Julius Nicholson in too, the absolute abuse he gets from Malcolm and the delicious Jamie, (NICHOLSON?! THAT BALDY...POOF!) and when his biscuits end up on the floor "careful you fools, these are good biscuits and they cost four pounds!"

Lottapianos · 10/07/2018 06:58

'when his biscuits end up on the floor "careful you fools, these are good biscuits and they cost four pounds!"'

I love that bit too Grin 'Just take care, will you?!' Julius is great

EllebellyBeeblebrox · 10/07/2018 07:04

And Mannion reading what people have said about him on his blog "I don't trust you, you Cypriot crook" "Cypriot?"

SergeantPfeffer · 10/07/2018 07:21

I’ve started watching it again (thank you Netflix!) and also picked up on the pathos around malcolm a lot earlier than when I watched it first time round. The absolute desperation to be in the thick of it, the sense that atthe start he is the PMs right hand man and it’s slipping away. And yes to Nicola as weird feminist icon- she stands up to Malcolm much more than I’d remembered.

SergeantPfeffer · 10/07/2018 07:22

The first time I watched Sarah and duck, I kept expecting the narration to take a very sarcastic turn Grin

bychoiceornot · 10/07/2018 07:22

So many great characters. I think it's brilliant that even in a show with a strong, stand out character like Malcolm, the rest of the cast are no shrinking violets, and as someone said before, you always find something new to see in the background of a scene that you never saw before.

Love Mannion, I just think he's brilliant, and has some of the most underrated lines in the show.

I'm especially fond of Mary. I know she's not in it much, but she really makes me laugh. "I am here in an angry capacity"!

WestleyAndButtockUp · 10/07/2018 07:39

Just clarifying for myself, with the aid of Wikipedia, my vague memory of the Chris Langham/Hugh Abbot series. My memory of the later ones is much clearer:

"Series 1 (2005)
In the first batch of three episodes, Hugh Abbot is installed as a new minister following the forced resignation of his predecessor Cliff Lawton. These episodes follow his attempts to make his mark on the department by introducing new policies while following the party line enforced by Malcolm Tucker. Due to a series of complications and mistakes, this leads to the minister coming close to resignation on a number of occasions."

"Series 2 (2005)
The second batch of episodes takes place before a cabinet reshuffle, and follows Hugh's attempts to keep his job. Ollie Reeder is seconded to number 10 "to phone his girlfriend" Emma Messinger, a member of the shadow defence policy team, where he is under the close eye of enforcer Jamie. Meanwhile, Terri Coverley is on compassionate leave following the death of her father, leaving her role to Robyn Murdoch, a senior press officer. The department also has to contend with the interference of the prime minister's "blue skies" adviser Julius Nicholson. The minister and the department survive the reshuffle, with the department being rebranded as the "Department of Social Affairs and Citizenship" and moved to a new building. However, the mistakes and compromises continue."

"Specials (2007)
In the two specials, following the Christmas break, Hugh Abbot is in Australia and the department has to "babysit" junior minister for immigration Ben Swain, who is described as a "Nutter" (a term used for supporters of prime-minister-in-waiting Tom Davis).[14] The first special ("Rise of the Nutters") revolves around a computer problem at Immigration, which is exacerbated by the junior minister appearing in a disastrous Newsnight interview. The opposition policy adviser Emma Messinger capitalises on the error by stealing an idea from her boyfriend Ollie Reeder, to send the shadow minister Peter Mannion on a fact-finding mission at an immigration centre. ...Tucker conspires with Ollie to leak the prime minister's "legacy programme" (the PM's plan to move the handling of immigration policy to a non-political executive board) in the hope of stalling his departure, inadvertently leading the PM to resign early. The next episode ("Spinners and Losers") follows a single night of "spin", as advisers, junior politicians and enforcers all try to better their position during the transition, but only Malcolm gets anywhere."

"Series 3 (2009)
In series 3, Hugh Abbot is replaced as minister by Nicola Murray, played by Rebecca Front. She is an unexpected, last-minute choice for the position, and given her inexperience and lack of staff, she is forced to retain Ollie and Glenn as her advisers. ... With the cloud of the forthcoming general election and tension at 10 Downing Street looming, the series also broadens its scope to include episodes set at the annual party conference and BBC Radio 5 Live. We also see more of Murray's opposite number, Peter Mannion, and other members of the opposition first seen in the 2007 specials. The gradual breakdown of Malcolm Tucker and appearance of new threats to his control, in particular Steve Fleming (David Haig), are also major plotlines. The series ends with Fleming forcing Malcolm's resignation, only to be ousted himself a matter of days later. Having regained dominance, Malcolm decides to call an election immediately to seize the initiative from his enemies in the opposition and his own party."

"Series 4 (2012)
In series 4, the government and opposition have switched places following an election during which JB failed to gain a majority and is therefore in coalition government with a smaller third party. Peter Mannion has been made the Secretary of State for Social Affairs and Citizenship but has to contend with Fergus Williams, his junior partner in the coalition. Meanwhile, following Tom Davis's defeat and resignation, Nicola Murray had been elected by her party, apparently on a technicality over Dan Miller, her opponent, as leader of the opposition, although she resigns at the end of episode four and is replaced by her deputy, Miller. A running thread throughout the series is an ongoing "Leveson-style public inquiry" which takes place in episode six. "

argumentativefeminist · 10/07/2018 07:49

DCMS is definitely DOSAC - I've actually got my eyes on being a civil servant there so I hope I don't end up like Terri 😂😂

Julius and his biscuits, bless him. "Eat the cheese, Nicholson" and "Go on, eat this bit of prawn" (Malcolm lobs prawn toast across the table) are still my favourite Julius and food moments though.

I do like Peter, but he's overshadowed for me by my love for Emma!

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bychoiceornot · 10/07/2018 07:56

That's a really good summary Westley, thanks for that!

I know a lot is talked about the inquiry episode and how good it is (and it IS brilliant), but you mentioning the BBC Radio 5 Live one there reminded me how much I love that one, deffo tops for me. Just something so funny about it, especially the bickering in the control room (?) and the swing from professionally courteous to mud-slinging on air.

LionsTeeth · 10/07/2018 08:25

I've decided to rewatch again after this thread!
From bean to cup, you fuck up is one of my absolute favourite quotes. And "sweary woman of Whitehall" 😂

Didn't the actor who plays Hugh go to prison for possessing child abuse images?

Jennyz123 · 10/07/2018 09:09

Ha yes, sweary woman of Whitehall is amazing! My favourite Julius line is about 'feeling the heft' of sandwiches- also his argument with Malcolm over office layout and the 'pantry'...

argumentativefeminist · 10/07/2018 09:11

He did Lions - I try not to think about it and just enjoy the show but some of the jokes do fall exceptionally flat now.

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argumentativefeminist · 10/07/2018 09:14

PMs Resignation

J: "Well... that was not the date."
M: "You can say that again".
J: ".... that was not the date."
M: "You're telling me."

One of my favourite Julius/Malcolm moments just for how absolutely shocked and done with life they both are. But the heft of the sandwiches does make me laugh, I'm the same 😂

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WestleyAndButtockUp · 10/07/2018 09:34

What a fascinating interview with Chris Langham in the Independent.

www.independent.co.uk/news/people/chris-langham-interview-disgraced-actor-opens-up-about-his-child-sex-abuse-images-conviction-and-why-10457354.html

Jennyz123 · 10/07/2018 12:21

Love that exchange Argumentative! Really interesting article, never been sure how to interpret that whole thing and not sure I'm any clearer now- but interesting to hear his take on it.

Andylion · 10/07/2018 15:49

the BBC Radio 5 Live one there reminded me how much I love that one,

Nicola forgets that she has pierced ears and ...
I need to rewatch that one.

I was in London last month and as we passed the Guardian headquarters, I stopped to take a picture of the place where Malcolm bollocked the reporter after Nicola let slip about the immigration numbers mess. (Hoping I remembered that correctly.)

argumentativefeminist · 10/07/2018 15:58

Andy You're right! I love that bit - "haven't we both got Blackberrys to check!"

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Lottapianos · 10/07/2018 16:13

I love Malcolm going absolutely nuclear in the back of the people carrier and have often imagined real life ministers being on the receiving end of something similar after a giant cock up of their own Grin