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The Thick of It

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argumentativefeminist · 29/06/2018 23:13

Please tell me theres other people out there also still overly invested in TTOI who want to swap theories/swear a lot/discuss trivia? 🤞🤞

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Jennyz123 · 25/07/2018 21:19

I agree also about the seeing him sitting down thing - just the sight of it fills you with dread, it's not right. He should be striding around, or at the very least sitting at his own desk with his finger in someone's face, spitting in their eyes with rage! Watching him be obediently led into someone else's office and sitting down at their desk quietly feels SO wrong... and that quiet "no no no!" And then when he finally starts ranting but you can see the TV coverage in the background... It's funny bychoice but you're right, I find that episode way more of an emotional sucker punch than the enquiry episodes. I always wondered if I'm just less familiar with them, but I think it might be because in this one it's such a calamitous fall from grace - yes he was struggling but still seemed powerful, like he might still find a way to claw himself back to glory - but then suddenly it's over... whereas the enquiry feels like a final line being drawn under a more gradual decline, although I've only watched those ones once so could be misremembering!

Jennyz123 · 25/07/2018 21:20

Haha argumentative, you definitely have me converted! The thought of their eventual happy life together in the Cotswolds was the only thing keeping me going last night!!!

bychoiceornot · 25/07/2018 21:47

Good points, well made! I also think you're right on the sacking vs. the inquiry... we and he see the inquiry thing coming, especially when he comes back that second time and they bring up the photo, then by the third time, you see him defeated, despite that brilliant speech.

Come the next episode, you know there's no miracle cure for him, there are no more strings he can pull or puppets he can manipulate, like he did with Steve and Julius. Whereas when he is sacked, I think as an audience we have an idea it's coming, especially the look on Steve's face, and they've already reminded us that Malcolm orchestrated Steve's fall from grace before, so you have this awful idea that he is getting his revenge, but Malcolm, who is usually so suspicious of everyone, totally misses it.

He even sends Steve out to 'warm up' the press, without realising that has sealed his fate, as Steve then uses that time to announce Malcolm's resignation. Brilliantly played, but still so brutal. And he just seems vulnerable at so many points in that scene, like sitting down, that realisation, turning to see it on the TV... and then grasping for Nicola to save him!

argumentativefeminist · 25/07/2018 22:14

Definitely think Malcolm is more desperate in the sacking than the inquiry. The way he storms back into Steve's office afterwards isn't typical of him, I don't think. I think much more typical of him is the "I know I'm going, I think you're wrong, but here's a scathing put down of everything you think is a political truth and then I'm gone for good" reaction to the inquiry. But again have only watched the inquiry a couple of times so I'm no expert!

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bychoiceornot · 25/07/2018 22:28

Yes, I think after the shock of Steve and everything, his mind starts working and he refuses to let it go, he's blindsided... until the next episode, when he gets snuggly and kind and totally anti-Malcolm! But then once he's called in by Julius and there is that thought placed in his head that Julius can help him back in, and he makes his demands of the report... he's back on track. Whereas in the inquiry, there is a legal ramification and he knows it. That third time, he seems to know he's going but dammit, he'll do it in his own way. Very telling when he says finally that he's finished anyway, they didn't finish him.

argumentativefeminist · 28/07/2018 15:10

Dissertation ideas vote!

  1. Sensible, solid political analysis of the role of women in the House of Commons 2010-2018
  2. "Sweating her lady-bollocks off": Gender relations in 'The Thick of It' as a microcosm of modern politics.
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bychoiceornot · 28/07/2018 16:58

2! And then post the entire thing on here for us Wink

bychoiceornot · 28/07/2018 19:01

Just diving by to chuck in a few choice lines that always make me laugh... well the whole thing makes me laugh of course, but these stick in my head

Terri: “They’re going to run with the headline ‘Uncle Tom’s Cabinet’, which is a really big problem for us actually ‘cause it’s a very very good headline.”

Ben: “I once used the last teabag and Malcolm pushed me up against the wall and called me Noncey Sinatra.”

Terri, to the inquiry: “I don’t like to toot my own trumpet, as they say, but I do like to think of myself a-as God.”

argumentativefeminist · 28/07/2018 19:06

Excellent choices bychoice! My fav Terri inquiry line is "I dont have a guilty conscience, but I do have a guilty face". I feel exactly the same 😂

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brainepson · 28/07/2018 19:16

I love TTOI too. Terri is a typical civil servant: bit bumbling, very jobsworth, not very self aware.

I love "come the fuck in or fuck the fuck off" as well as fuckety bye, obviously.

My dh was asking whether he should wear his shirt tucked in or tucked out recently and I said "why don't you just flop the old chap out while you're at it?"

bychoiceornot · 28/07/2018 19:20

Brilliant, brainepson! I feel I need to make my OH wander round with his shirt untucked just so I can use that line too.

Peter does have some utterly fantastic lines, love the sarcasm in his voice; and having heard Roger Allam in Radio-4-comedy-at-6-30-pm type shows, it feels so odd to hear him swear so much. But pleasant!

argumentativefeminist · 28/07/2018 19:20

Did he look like he'd been startled by a fire alarm Brain? 😂

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brainepson · 28/07/2018 19:23

ha ha, Roger Allam is fantastic isn't he? The scorn towards that twat who is their spin doctor putting him in a Paul Smith suit is fab.

bychoiceornot · 28/07/2018 19:28

Yes, he doesn't even try to hide it. That incredible look on his face when Mary comes to finally fire Stewart... notice though how he ducks behind Mary to gloat; she's still a very scary lady.

I actually think Mary might just be my new favourite (apart from Malcolm and Peter, of course). She’s barely in it, but she owns the scenes she’s in. That disdainful look… I love it, and her tone is brilliantly cutting. When Emma talks to her in the final episode and says that she enjoyed their time at the away day, and Mary just has that withering ‘Yes, you actually did, didn’t you’ reply. And of course her ‘I’m here in an angry capacity’ is one of my favourite lines in the whole show.

Andylion · 31/07/2018 16:06

Mary fan here, too. I also love Mannion's glee when Stewart was fired.

bychoiceornot · 01/08/2018 22:02

A little quiz I made, feel free to tell me if I've made any glaring errors!

TTOI Trivia

argumentativefeminist · 01/08/2018 22:26

Bychoice I'm so excited I'm going to do that right now! I'll update you all on my TTOI dissertation tomorrow too when I'm a bit more awake.

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Andylion · 02/08/2018 02:37

I only got 18 out of 20.

argumentativefeminist · 02/08/2018 08:22

Me too Andy, I got two of the inquiry based questions wrong!

R.e. dissertation: I'm thinking of writing on how political mockumentary reflects and to some extent impacts political reality. So talk about the Thick of It in terms of spin, women politicians and harassment/bullying, and see how it reflects reality. And then talk about whether it's influenced the political process. And maybe compare it to Veep if I like it when I start watching it!

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waterandlemonjuice · 02/08/2018 16:31

lol at that quiz
I got "you're a fucking omnishambles" 😂

PeterManYum · 02/08/2018 18:16

I got two ticks - one from Malcolm, one from Fat Pat Grin

Although I didn't know that I have the last line of the entire series - will have to rewatch to find out what it is!

bychoiceornot · 02/08/2018 22:21

Ah, glad I could amuse somewhat!

argumentative that sounds really interesting as a dissertation topic, and I've thought before about how things like this reflect real politics, but never about how it could influence. That would be a really interesting read.

argumentativefeminist · 02/08/2018 22:23

Bychoice Thank you! If I make it to the end I'll post a select edited version on here 😂

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bychoiceornot · 02/08/2018 22:34

argumentative I'm sure you;ll make it to the end, I believe in you! And more importantly, so does Glenn Wink

I've just watched an absolute joy of a deleted scene from series 4 with Malcolm and Ollie, where Malcolm makes reference to the effort he puts in to his insults, I thought it was great. He’s almost plaintive, and quite miffed his brilliant verbal dexterity is not being given the respect it deserves by those he is insulting!

M: “It’s wider than your mother’s legs when the fleet are in town...”

O: “If I’m gonna do this for you, can we have a bit more respect for my mother please?”

M: “This is some of my best stuff, and it’s being ignored!”

argumentativefeminist · 02/08/2018 22:37

Aww bless Malc! I'm going to search out that scene. I realised in the 'feel the heft of the sandwiches' scene when Malcolm is away for a walk with Julius that Julius refers to Malcolm as 'Malc' quite casually which I thought was quite sweet and shows there is some sort of friendly regard there. (They're also a fairly popular fandom pairing but I wont get into that 😂)

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