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Celeb Big Brother Thread 11 - New product in the PWB shop! "Andrew's Guide to Treating Women with Respect"

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AnneEyhtMeyer · 26/01/2018 22:48

I got them cheap. Ideal gift for Valentine's Day or Mother's Day.

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nicenewdusters · 27/01/2018 00:08

Night Beyond

Rachel0Greep · 27/01/2018 00:11

Have to say I enjoyed Andrew cringing throughout Jonny's interview. Hand on heart, I know little or nothing about Jonny anyway, and I didn't notice him much in the house, but he was able to be a lot more relaxed about everything. Andrew made a fool (or worse) of himself, overall, IMO.

Rachel0Greep · 27/01/2018 00:26

Oh stop doing the heart sign. Let me show you my hand sign.

Grin!

TheweewitchRoz · 27/01/2018 00:35

Love seeing Andrew cringe too!

FannyWisdom · 27/01/2018 01:04

My mental image of Andrew now is of him sat, head in hands, withering inside as he realises the only person who insulted his Famly and his beloved Mam and Gran was himself.

His professed devotion for those two and also Widdi mentioning Mam and Gran not Mam and Dad makes me think she was a single parent.
I can't blame her for his shitty attitude. She's likely had to struggle and graft to bring him up and getting him through Uni, possibly working too much and compensating by indulging him. Or guilty at failed marriage etc.
Who were his male role models I wonder?

picklemepopcorn · 27/01/2018 07:05

My turn to watch now...

Chipstick10 · 27/01/2018 07:21

I read the Mail online and couldn’t give a crap about the presidents club. I do however care about the children who lost out in the charity because virtue signalling is more important. Am I still allowed on here ?

futuristic1 · 27/01/2018 08:01

*AnneEyhtMeyer - No idea if she was or not - if she was there I would expect someone of her religion to vote against promoting homosexuality in schools. There is a difference between being against promoting something to children and believing that adults shouldn't do something.

BeyondWitchbitchterf - As I said, she may be homophobic, I don't know.

But if we're not supposed to judge dapper for his rape advice a few years ago, it certainly isn't okay to judge a politician on voting along with the whip (if she was there and did) in a majority government, back when I was still in nappies.

AnneEyhtMeyer - Exactly Beyond. Ann became an MP in the late 80s didn't she? Clause 28 was around the same time (I know it was when I was still at school). If she was an MP then she must have been new to it.*

Blimey!!!! And Andrew is called stoopid!

Ann's religious beliefs take precedence in her life over any political beliefs. She is answerable to God not the Tory party leader.

Is this hard to grasp?

Look up the Catholic Church's views on homosexuality.

Ann ives according to a list of rules. She does not make up her own mind on these things. They're not just 'her opinions' that 'she's entitled to, yeah'. They are God's rules handed down and interpreted by His representative on earth - that's the Pope - it's not a 'matter of opinion'.

It's a FACT - It's a RULE.

And contrary to what someone (En?) said in the last thread about Ann not caring about what people get up to in their own living rooms.

She was an MP for 23 years making laws on what people get up to in their living rooms and she's an expert bloody spin doctor on convincing you otherwise.

Her voting against lowering the homosexual age of consent was trying to control you having gay sex in your living room below the age of 21 - she would prefer you didn't have gay sex at all.

She votes people off CBB because she thinks they are lewd and she wants to control what other people see in their living rooms.

Being 70 doesn't make anyone soft in the head. I wish people would stop treating her as some benign teddy bear.

Go and read about her.

And there's a reason why the 'lads' might learn more about feminism from Shane than from the women in the house.

Because some of the women in the house are not feminists (Ann) and the others are worried that declaring themselves as feminists, or indeed displaying anything above a rudimentary girly intelligence would alienate the numbskull audience who actually vote - for many of whom feminism is a four letter word.

People like Jess, who hides whatever brains she may/may not have for money-making means, do women a disservice by perpetuating the girly stereotype and grafting and rinsing saps by selling themselves as wank-fodder.

It's not admirable and they know full well what they are doing.

berryferry · 27/01/2018 08:48

Well catching up with The Last Leg was a mistake. Just listened to Rachel Johnson victim blaming the young women who did the hostess jobs at The Presidents Club. Adam Hills and David Tennant disagreed with her

Someone with so much privilege she can't comprehend why an imbalance of power can cause a situation like that. She has no idea who those girls are.

berryferry · 27/01/2018 08:49

As for Andrew vs Anne.

My succinct summary is they're both horrible.

berryferry · 27/01/2018 08:50

As I said, she may be homophobic, I don't know

We really do know, what's that mumsnet saying? When someone is telling you who they are, listen, (or something).

MyBeloved · 27/01/2018 09:10

Didn't watch last night as was out for the evening, but read this thread instead!

So pleased Andrew, Dapper and (not so much) Jonny are out. I hope ShaneJ gets to shine properly now ☺

Betarocker · 27/01/2018 09:14

One of the closest friendships in there is between Ann and Amanda (who is gay). Not sure this would happen if Ann was homophobic?

SinisterBumFacedCat · 27/01/2018 09:24

i missed CBB but watched TOTP some classic songs

berryferry · 27/01/2018 09:34

One of the closest friendships in there is between Ann and Amanda (who is gay). Not sure this would happen if Ann was homophobic

This is a very simplistic view. You can be racist and have non-white friends, you can be a misogynist and love your wife and daughters.

mirialis · 27/01/2018 09:38

Ann has gay friends. She doesn't agree with gay marriage nor "unconventional heterosexual set ups". She supported Section 28 because she doesn't think alternative lifestyles to the ideal "model" should be promoted as equally valid in schools. I guess it's a question of how you define "homophobe".

The arrogance of Andrew last night "what are you guys going to do for viewing now we're leaving?"

We might get some intelligent conversation now the ladz bantz are over - perhaps more conversations between ShaneJ and Ann now he will no longer be part of "Shandrew."

SleepIsForTheWeek · 27/01/2018 09:45

Anyone else notice the nerve going in Andrew's jaw during BOTS? He was holding back a LOT of anger.

Betarocker · 27/01/2018 09:58

mirialis I suppose it is a question of how homophobia is defined. That's the problem though I feel. What is the actual definition?

berry can someone be truly racist and have non white friends? Would their views not spill over and damage the friendship? Just thinking aloud.

toldmywrath · 27/01/2018 10:05

I dunno about Andrew having a lot of anger (I haven't watched cbbots yet) but futuristic seems to. HmmGrin

LloydColeandtheCoconuts · 27/01/2018 10:22

Me and DP have just had an in depth conversation about how 1985 was the best year for music. I think we’ve already seen that TOTP episode.
I wonder who’s lining up to help Andrew launch his career Confused. I’d sooner watch Johnny on tv than Andrew.

LloydColeandtheCoconuts · 27/01/2018 10:26

The arrogance of Andrew last night "what are you guys going to do for viewing now we're leaving?"
^ This. He’s a total tosser. I’m really glad EW pulled him up on it.

Loonoonow · 27/01/2018 10:26

Someone said upthread that if you are a Catholic you have to disagree with homosexuality. I would beg to differ. I consider myself a fairly devout Catholic and whilst I know the church's teachings (I don't consider them rules) on homosexuality, gay marriage, contraception, sex before marriage and divorce I don't agree with them. I have free will and a conscience and I decide for myself what I think is right and wrong. The church itself changes the teachings/rules from time to time (We can eat fish on Friday now, we are no longer required to have attended confession before receiving communion, both once very strict ' rules'), so some of the teachings are not cast in stone and do change as times and society changes.

The important truths of Catholicism (as in any Christian denomination) are a belief in Jesus as the resurrected son of God and a commitment to following his ultimate commandment 'to love one another as I have love loved you'. IMO all the other rules and pomp are manmade window dressing, some good, some bad.

Please don't think that all Catholics are like Anne. She is an old, misguided woman, the product of an earlier time and she would hold her views regardless of her faith.

mirialis · 27/01/2018 10:35

Ann on gay marriage:

She dislikes David Cameron’s “obsession” with image and strongly disagrees with his stance on equal marriage. Have her views on gay issues changed at all? “Everybody says to me that you must have met lots of gays in pantomime, and I say, ‘Hang on, do you think there are no gays at Westminster? That I never had gay friends?’ It doesn’t alter my view that marriage is between one man and one woman, and interestingly, a lot of gay people think the same.”

I bring this issue up again after she mentions her friendship with Strictly star Craig Revel Horwood. “There you go again,” she says. “I don’t know why people think that just because I have gay friends I should believe in gay marriage.”

mirialis · 27/01/2018 10:36

Ann on feminism:

She embedded herself in the Oxford Union debating society in the 1960s, where she “certainly wasn’t a hippy. But I was a night bird, staying up until two in the morning, talking about politics, drinking just coffee.” (no wine and chocolate biscuits?)

She didnt see gender as a hindrance. That era’s female parliamentarians – she mentions Shirley Williams, Barbara Castle, Edwina Curry and Margaret Thatcher – “just got on with it”, she says.But she could see the importance of feminism. “An employer could still advertise a job with two different rates, one for men and one for women. It was lawful to be told that they were only renting a flat to men or married couples. You could be denied a mortgage or asked for your husband’s signature on a HP form. Of course I saw a need for feminism. And I’m still a feminist in the 1970s sense that we need equality of opportunity. But frankly we’ve got it. And we haven’t a clue how to deal with it.”

She characterises contemporary feminism as “a big whinge”. She recalls one of what she calls “Blair’s babes” complaining to her about her treatment in parliament. “She assumed it was because she was a woman. In fact, it was because she was useless and easy to rough up.”

FannyWisdom · 27/01/2018 10:50

Didn't Widdi say 're the consent age for homosexuals that rather than lower the age heterosexual sex should be raised in line with homosexuals?

Not homophobic, puritanical.

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