BBC2 Horizon 9pm

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'The cosmetics industry makes great claims for its products but do these claims hold up?Professor Lesley Regan investigates.'
Should be interesting.

Yes, I'm watching it too. Although I kindof just want a list of products that actually will work!!!

Did you work out which was the anti-wrinkle one which did well in the test,think it was priced at £14.95?

Missed it - so which cream held up?

They didn't explicitly show it-but think it may have been a Nivea one, it certainly beat a really expensive one with C60 in it.

I agree, arctic roll, I'm fairly convinced it was the Nivea one with Vitamins C and E

This one (sorry, don't know how to do links):
www.boots.com/shop/product_details.jsp?productid=1035400&classificationid=1018435&slmRefer=000

What was the cream they talked about right at the end, from the No 7 range, I think, removes wrinkles supposedly?

Think it may have been No 7 Refine and Rewind Intense Perfecting Serum.

Thanks, I'm quite tempted to try it

Yes, think I may be tempted to shell at for this.
I want someone to say that I look really young for my age,this alas never happens.

I thought I spotted the word 'Protect' on the tube as it briefly made an appearance on screen, so I think it might be 'No7 Protect & Perfect Beauty Serum'.

The fact that it is now out of stock on line would tend to support that theory!

I'm pretty convinced a few consecutive nights of uninterrupted sleep would work better than any cream, but it's easier to buy the cream than to get dd to sleep through the night.

So it could have been the Nivea or the Boots one. Anyone sure?

There were two products that performed well, unless I'm mistaken (I nodded off a bit at the end ).
The Nivea product was a better anti-oxidant than any other product including the C60 fullerene thingie, and the No 7 product was shown to really reduce wrinkles in a different test.
I would expect Boots to try to cash in on that result. I would make a big announcement on the webpage if I were them.

So would you use both do you think? One to prevent and one to repair?

Best, I suppose, would be to put Vitamins C and E into the No 7 cream.
I'm not sure about mixing products and I worry about putting too many different things onto my skin.
I would like to see cosmetic products tested more rigorously for efficacy. Some claims of the cosmetic companies make me laugh out loud (I'm a biologist), but I'd still love to buy something that takes care of my wrinkles.

Yeah I know what you mean, Last year having bought an expensive fake tan I was really tempted to take it back ans ask for a refund as it was awful. I couldn't find the receipt though.

I would be very loathe to make any decision based upon something you see on a BBC Horizon programme.
Horizon is an object of ridicule amongst those with a scientific or technical background. It's sloppy, "people focused", and write the story before it gets the facts.
Wander over into the media requests part of MN to understand how "factual" programmes are done.
You will see how they request "a older mum who can't balance work and home, and relies upon the kids grandparents" style of fing.
Note they've decided that's the issue, and just need a face to put to the script they've already written.
Same applies, but even more so to science at the BBC. They find scientists with the "right" view, and edit it to support the script. When they simply can't find anyone who can be edited to say the right stuff they use mediocre graphics and actors.

The problem with programs like this (same goes for that program about food a few weeks back) is that the test never have a big enough sample size (Regan did point that out, though), the controls are dodgy and the science is watered down for a general public.
It's not a BBC only problem, German science programs arn't better and I have been involved in a US program about thermophilic microbes and I did want to strangle the producer in the end for all the dumbing down they did with the material.

So DC which cream do you use to hold back the years?

A few years back I met a Tomorrow's World producer. He had some arty degree as you'd expect, but even he was frustrated with the BBC. Everything had to have "human interest" and that either meant stories were hopelessly warped or more often dropped as no one could imagine how you could find a soap opera theme for important issues in gravity.
That's why we see so many shit pieces on "the science of art", or "scientists have found an equation for how Beckham kicks a ball" The equation may appear, but it will never be explained. I wonder if any BBC droid has ever checked that the scientists give them a different equation each time
The most credulously stupid BBC piece was on "dividing zero by zero". Yes, really. I still occasionally get hate mail from the so-called "University" of Reading over that one.
Obsolete Rubbish

Now, the green coverage talks of "issues" and technology as "good" or "bad". No explanation, and certainly no numbers. Ever see green BBC stuff about the different ways wood and stone conduct heat, beyond "wood is good" ?
Is a black roof a good or bad idea ?
Really, it makes a difference.

So you don't use a cream then DC?

Drosophila, I think the best you can do is hope for good genes, have a fairly healthy life style, restrict sun exposure (not completely though) and exposure to anything else DNA and cell damaging. In a skin product I would look for a good UVA/B sunscreen, some good anti-oxidants (one that actually scavenges free radicals, such as vitamin C and E or carotenoids, and one that induces the cellular anti-oxidant response, can't remember a name now), an anti-inflammatory and then something that helps keep moisture in the skin, such as hyaluronic acid. All those compounds have to be able to get into cells, this is the point I'm most suspicious about.
I doubt that there is a product out there that really delivers what it promises. Having said that, I will certainly keep cleansing and moisturizing and.... just in case.

Have recorded
yet to watch

My neighbours ran the anti-oxidant tests And a friend works in the hair lab. Bizarre- we watched it to spot the nighbours not knowing the hair lab would be on.

"He had some arty degree as you'd expect,"

rofl