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Top of the lake *contains spoilers*

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fairgame84 · 30/07/2017 10:19

Finished series 2 and I'm a bit confused about ep6.

  1. Why was Brett buried in the sand and how long had he been there?
Was he waiting for the Police or for just anyone to lift the box of his head? Who buried him? You can't bury yourself that well.
  1. Was Mary actually held hostage? It looked like she woke up in her parents basement.

There was something else as well but I've forgotten.

Just watching series one now which so far is better than series 2 imo.

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DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 30/07/2017 10:22

I want to know the same!

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 30/07/2017 10:25

And who was Alexander? Why was he allowed free access to the girls in the brothel? Was he just a neighbor or was he directly involved with the surragocy?Confused

fairgame84 · 30/07/2017 10:29

I think Alexander owned the brothel but Dang ran it.
I don't know what his involvement was in the surrogacy. Or why he decided to take the girls away, surely they would earn more money by staying and handing over their babies?

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DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 30/07/2017 10:49

Ah right. Or was it to make his big point at the end?

I found the police woman fake pregnancy story line utterly ridiculous and distracting. In fact they could've easily written her character out as far as I'm concerned.

fairgame84 · 30/07/2017 10:51

Yep. And as far as I'm concerned she is Brienne or Tarth and that's all I see when I look at her.

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TheHiphopopotamus · 30/07/2017 11:50

I'd like to know why all the men find Robin utterly irresistible.

TheHiphopopotamus · 30/07/2017 11:51

Yes, the police woman surrogacy thing was odd.

Orangetoffee · 30/07/2017 14:00

Everything was odd. That whole scene with Al, just why? And a box on a busy beach being left just like that, untouched? And yes the whole Miranda surrogacy.

I did think the Mary-Alexander relationship was done well.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 30/07/2017 14:10

And how did they know to look for a box? I got a bit distracted at times so wasn't following it as closely as I should have!

I17neednumbers · 30/07/2017 19:27

Who put the box over his head?

Who was the woman in the cafe - was that Alexander's mother?

Will there be a series 3?

whyhastherumgone · 30/07/2017 19:34

Just finished and feel really dissatisfied. More questions than answers, and not in a good way, more in a big-hash-of-a-mess way.

So much of it didn't make sense to me - the affair between Miranda and Robin's boss - why? Why did that need to happen?
YY to Brett burying himself and Mary's questionable abduction.

I was also totally confused by Alexander. When Mary asked what was going to happen to the babies - when they were at the airport - he said they would pay [the parents] so I assumed he meant more money? But then it seemed that he just meant they would pay. But why? What was his investment in it? And some of the girls described him as a cruel man, not a good man, but then loved him and trusted him completely?

I thought we'd at least get a proper answer on who was running the surrogacy ring/brothel.

Brett's storyline was just a bit creepy - and seemed to end really pointlessly - he was after Alexander but then decided to let the hostage go [presumably he thought she meant something to Alexander so would have been a bargaining chip to get a face to face with him after he escaped?] and bury himself on the beach, only to shoot the first person who kicked the box from his head?

Miranda really wasn't a great policewoman at all. I wanted to slap both her and Mary numerous times.

The relationships between Robin - Mary - Julia were done well though. Think I preferred the first series.

gingeristhenewblack43 · 30/07/2017 19:51

Not read the thread, just checking in for when I've watched the last episode Wink

fairgame84 · 30/07/2017 20:41

But why? What was his investment in it?
I think he was using the surrogates to prove his point about rich vs poor. It was to teach the rich people a lesson.

What was the deal with Miranda and Liam (Robin's brother)? Were they just friends or something more?

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gingeristhenewblack43 · 30/07/2017 21:18

So now after watching the final episode I'm none the wiser than I was after the first! Totally unsatisfying 😡

whyhastherumgone · 30/07/2017 21:23

I feel your pain ginger i felt like there should be another episode!

fairgame84 · 30/07/2017 21:38

YY to another episode.
I need to know if Brienne of Tarth survives and if anybody will get their baby.
We never found out who killed Cinnamon (wasn't that the whole point of the series)

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whyhastherumgone · 30/07/2017 21:44

exactly @fairgame81
I think alexander said she hung herself but that seemed like an easy out to me - surely they would have been able to tell the difference between strangulation and hanging? or am i being too picky? I know hanging is a form of strangulation but i imagine there would be a way to differentiate? Who knows!

fairgame84 · 30/07/2017 21:57

whyhastherumgone
They also said that her face was smashed in so she clearly didn't hang herself. They would be able to tell the difference between hanging and strangulation.
Even if she did hang herself, why stuff her in a suitcase?

The more I think about it all the more holes I find.

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teaandakitkat · 30/07/2017 21:59

I'm only on ep3 of s2 so I've skimmed the thread but I'm not really enjoying this one. I honestly can't decide if it is a police drama or a comedy. It just gets more and more crazy. Alexander's attack on Robin at the beach was just totally bizarre. Do you think the writers are on drugs?

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 30/07/2017 23:18

Just finished watching it. I can add my thoughts to some points on here before I get onto my questions.

Cinnamon's face wasn't smashed in before she died. I think the pathologist said it was damaged while in the suitcase from being chucked into the sea. Presumably being in the water wouldn't have helped either.

Regarding Robin being irresistible, I think the point (based on what we saw and my personal experience of being a woman of similar attractiveness to Elisabeth Moss), is that it's not about Robin. It's about the men. There are men who will always try it on with the woman they perceive to be the most available to them; Robin is not so beautiful as to be unavailable to them. Age, status, vulnerability, competition and (sometimes) marital status are more important factors than beauty. They also don't want to have a relationship with her - they don't even know her - they just want to fuck her and feed their egos/enhance their alpha male status. Robin is not unattractive and in real life men would be interested.

Right, my thoughts:

Why did they shoe-horn Robin Griffin from the most excellent Top Of The Lake into this completely unrelated story? Honestly it could have been a police drama with any tortured cop with a past. Take out the frankly ridiculous bit with Al (I found myself shouting at the TV "why are you standing there? Just leave! Just go!" long before he stood up and whipped his belt off to display a lack of control completely at odds with the character depicted in TOTL original), take out the TRAVESTY of the NZ flashback where they recast Johnno and changed his character beyond recognition, take out the bit with Mary being Robin's daughter which was actually unnecessary to the plot and you have a perfectly good and interesting story.

Now to the sheer bonkers bits:

The police couple (well he was still married) who are not together together but are having a baby via surrogacy. WHY?

The personal involvement of Robin and the surrogacy police in the case is just silly. It's so utterly unprofessional and there's a big part of TOTL that is Robin doing and being seen to be doing things by the book.

Robin was also always so in control in TOTL. This time round she was constantly being attacked and being in situations where she allowed people to attack her. It just made no sense.

The landscape and the lake were big parts of TOTL. There was none of that here. They should have called it something else. There was no lake and no dramatic atmosphere created by the landscape.

For me, it really feels like Jane Campion had a police story to tell, one about the underbelly of Sydney prostitutes and their exploitation, surrogacy and the abuse of women. That was going to be juxtapositioned with the ridiculousness of the white middle classes and their self absorbed natures, their therapy and medication and the dissatisfaction they feel with their pampered and privileged lives. Then someone said she had to do a second series of TOTL and she just squashed in a bit of backstory and this is what we get.

I did enjoy it, but as a standalone and not as part two of TOTL. There was also a lot of suspended disbelief about the police procedure and relationships. I thought the character development and depiction of Alexander/Puss was really interesting and really well done. I can completely buy him biting Robin on the face. He is a cruel misogynist. I like that at first we mostly see him from Mary's POV, then we begin to see him as being abusive and see him fully as a disgusting and dangerous human being. Later we see him for the cowering loser he really is. Finally we see him as a product of his own artifice who is only as powerful as his victims permit him to be.

Final thought: NK's performance would have been better if her face had been less frozen. The women can even frown. She was also massively under used and her character under developed.

phlebasconsidered · 30/07/2017 23:43

The woman in the cafe was his first wife. Presumably the boy was his as well.

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 31/07/2017 00:23

How did you know that? Was it the calliper?

I found some of the dialogue a bit mumbly. Had a row with dh at one point about how many people were dead/critically injured HmmGrin

Ulysses · 31/07/2017 06:46

I agree with everything you've said movingonup. A lot to pick apart from the start such as when Robin told her boss that she was celibate. Why would you disclose that?

I also found Robin's reaction to realising that her daughters boyfriend was a possible suspect very passive.

There's lots more but despite all this I found it very immersive.

implantsandaDyson · 31/07/2017 07:08

Yup I feel pretty much the same as MovingOn......... so well described. It was as if the story was written and then they decided which tv cop character to squeeze in. I enjoyed the story and the setting but the Robin character there was no added "benefit" to it being a Top of the Lake story. It was clunky at times, I think in this series the music was "overdone", and the supporting characters veered into lazy cliches.
I did like the storyline between Pyke and Robin, and in the last episode when Nicole Kidman realised they had sex, I thought her reaction of giving her marriage another go was interesting and tbh I think she was probably the reason I kept watching it.
It really was left open for another series whereas I felt the first series could have been a great stand alone. I'm not sure if I just couldn't get back into the groove of it after the wtf with the whole Johnno debacle. I never thought that the relationship would last and she couldn't stay in NZ but the "resolution" of him cheating on her, her running back to Sydney was depressingly familiar in tv land.

CloudNinetyNine · 31/07/2017 09:32

As others have mentioned - too many unnecessary overlapping storylines.

I found the wife's girlfriend's reaction to Mary taking her passport odd: 'She needs to find her own path - she'll be fine'. This is someone who is suspected of working as a prostitute, in a relationship with a suspected murderer, has been kidnapped and witnessed a taxi driver being shot dead. Yeah, just leave her to it!

It certainly didn't give a good impression of Australian males - esp male police officers.