Excluded at Seven Ch4 9pm

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Anyone watching? Im hoping its a balanced thoughtful piece not a daily mail esque their parents must be crack heads! type programme..

What a horrible thing to say about a little boy root. You should be ashamed of yourself.

In fact I'll go further and say that a class of 29 other children and one teacher is not the right environment for quite a lot of children that have no other option but to struggle on.

Not watched this yet, seen it advertised but don't think I can bring myself up watch at the minute as abit too close to home. I have a 7 year old who's been excluded a few times, not permanently as of yet. He is diagnosed with autism but even with a diagnosis local authority use every excuse they can think of to not even have to do assessment to see if child needs support. We've recently had to go to tribunal to appeal against refusal to assess and la backed down cus legally they didn't have a leg to stand on. They've now managed to string it out further by saying they can't do assessment over the summer then it takes another 14 weeks to assess before we get a decision on if they will provide support. If they refuse we'll have to go to appeal agsin probably taking us up to Easter. This is after 2 years it took go go through autism diagnosis process. My ds is a completely different boy out of school he just can't cope without support in a classroom environment and my fear that stringing out the process of getting support do long the school will finally throw the towel in and permanently exclude which ironically will then end up costing the la more than if they had provided support in the first place

This was my life. DS excluded age 6. Second school excluded age 7 and he spent a year in PRU before finally being diagnosed Asd and being placed in a private autistic school. The battles were exhausting.

DS is 17 today, just done GCSEs and starting mainstream college with support in a few weeks to do Alevels!!!!

Andnowitisseven I'm confused, why should Root be ashamed of herself for saying that Harvey wouldn't be delightful in a class of 29 other children?? (or has she made another comment I haven't seen?)
I'm sure Harvey does have many lovely features but the program showed that he can be very difficult to deal with on a daily basis. I hope he gets the help and support he needs.

The programme gave me no idea of what the school does, though it was clear that the kids benefit by being there.

Horrendously difficult to manage a child like Harvey in a mainstream classroom. And the worse his provision there, the more deep-rooted his behaviour becomes when he does eventually get the support he needs. He looks like a boy who frightens himself. When he's going around hammering on doors he can't understand why his behaviour is being ignored. In a mainstream school they just couldn't ignore that level of disruption and rewarding it with attention just feeds the problem.

I wish there were a lot more little schools like Roseberry - endlessly banging square pegs into round holes is at best utterly pointless and at worst terribly damaging for everyone - the child, the teacher and the other kids.

The problem with these short term behaviour schools (in my experience) is that very often they don't solve the main problem which is that the child cannot cope in a class of 30 following a mainstream curriculum. So they take them out and put them into a class of 8. Teach them at their own level, take them on lots of lovely trips, give them 1to 1 attention, do lots of sensory/relaxation/confidence building activities so, as the pressure on them lifts, their behaviour improves.
Then because their behaviour is now "better" they stick them back into the same situation that caused the behaviour and round we go again.
Very very frustrating for all concerned!!

Yes I agree totally.

Not sure what your point is theroot? confused he is on the programme because he has been excluded from a class of 28 other children, no-one is under any illusions that he is a doddle to teach. We all saw the programme.

I'm guessing theroots point is that its easy to drift off into lovely daydreams of how you could be the personal saviour of these sweet and lovely children, but that reality is nothing like that.

Totally agree horrid

Not sure who is supposedly imagining themselves as the saviour of these children

I name changed to contribute to our thread. There's a nine year old boy whose been in our school about two and half years after coming to our school from a school like the one in the programme. He's constantly on the brink of exclusion. We rarely go a fortnight without a serious incident. The special school he had come from, while they were the supposed experts in behaviour, had no clue how a mainstream school functions. We can't stop a maths lesson and get the other children to leave when the child has a meltdown, as we were told to.
I feel this child was deeply damaged by being excluded in foundation. He spent years 1 and most of year 2 in a special school. He feels unwanted and hasn't really learned how to behave in a normal school and mix with other children. There's bugger all support from the LA as well. I really worry about that boy's future.

Thats sounds so sad concerned, id hate to be his parents

*they must feel so overwhelmed and guilty at the same time

That's very sad TA but unfortunately also very common. Perhaps not the special school's fault either. Their remit is to suggest strategies that work for the child but the bottom line is that some children just can't handle the school environment.

Yes I agree. I think this child only gets by because of our efforts. The school feels a very great responsibility to get him through because it would break our hearts to see a child excluded permanently excluded twice in primary school although our head has said that might be what it takes to get the LA to notice. I doubt he'll last long in secondary school and then god knows where he'll end up. It's very sad.

Gato the la are playing a fasts one. It doesn't take 14 weeks to assess. The process from application to final EHCP is 20 weeks.
If you've had refusal and now assessment is happening you are on week 6. They must tell you by week 16 if they don't intend to issue.
Look on IPSea.

I found the programme interesting and my ds was very much like some of them at that age (asd).
What I found interesting is how these children have been excluded because most schools still have children with the same profile on role.

The teacher was a amazing and so positive. You could see they were teaching the children skills they lacked.

One part of me could t help but few it smacked a little of "hey teachers and schools - this is how you do it". One with ds most do do it. But they can't magic TAs they don't have funds for or extra classrooms to work with the children in that don't exist and with LAs refusing funding for almost any child who's parents don't fight through tribunal for them I can only see it getting worse.

I worked with a lovely little boy who was eventually excluded (and from his next school too) The problem is that you have special schools for those with learning disabilities and mainstream schools. And very rarely anything in between. So those children who are academic but can't cope in a mainstream class with 29 other kids then can't get a place in a special school because those aren't designed for their academic ability.

They then end up in a PRU (which is what I assume Rosebery is) hunting round for schools that will take them. And of course with the small classes in PRU they do really well and the local authority think they are magically cured of their ASD/ADHD/sensory processing and they get put back in another mainstream school where it happens all over again.

Luckily the little boy I worked with got a place in a fantastic school out of county for kids who can't cope in mainstream and he's doing really well. He is such a clever boy, he just couldn't cope with a huge class full of kids.

The school my DS is moving to has mainstream classes with the option for children who need it to spend a term or two in a much smaller unit with two teachers to 5/6 children for the afternoons. (Or morning depending on age) This is for children with social, emotional and behavioural issues.m, they don't need a diagnosis or a statement to access this. For children who have a statement of SEN there is then the supported learning unit within the same school. We are incredibly lucky that DS has got a place and it is right on our doorstep. The only other option was for him to be sent to a school like roseberry 2 hours away.

Meanager that would be the perfect environment for the child I am thinking about. I know there is one in the neighbouring local authority. However I think the parents are desperate for him to stay in the local mainstream school for various reasons and I bet the LA don't want to spend any more than they have to.!

There seems to be no exploration of family life or anything so doesn't seem to be finger pointy

the boy who was upset about the ewe that pushed away her newborn lamb, he said something along the lines of he knew what that felt like. seemed like a poor upbringing to me, poor little thing, all the kids were absolutley adorable, and mostly very kind to each other.

i knew straight away the ones that had medical problems.

my DC has multiple, and couldnt cope in infant and junior school, i was constantly judged as a 'single parent on income support' yet they knew my childs problems were NOT from her upbringing, but from her medical problems.

she was excluded countless times. she could only semi-cope

in a small, quiet enviornment.like the kids on tv last night.

shes now home schooled and is doing brilliantly. cant do SATS or anything as she has sever learning difficulties, but she learns what she can and to her limits.

agree, Horrid.

i feel awful for thesekids.

the government are so insistant that SN (for examplke)are intergrated into mainstream schools. some can cope, others cant.

in the case of prroly brought up, IMO its the parents that need guidance and education to help bring their kids up properly. not saying that in a judgy way, just a concern as maybe some parents havent had the best upbringing themselves.

but overall, this programme, admirable for showing it, didnt really have any conclusions. wonder how the kids that left are in their new schools now?

the boy who was upset about the ewe that pushed away her newborn lamb, he said something along the lines of he knew what that felt like.

Was that the little boy with quite a lot of siblings between his two parents and their partners? The one who spent Mondays lying in the floor after returning from his dad's?

IMO its the parents that need guidance and education to help bring their kids up properly. not saying that in a judgy way, just a concern as maybe some parents havent had the best upbringing themselves.

I agree with this. I know that until my son's issues became obviously something other than bad behaviour I just assumed (and others around me) that he required more discipline, a firmer hand. I had no clue about PDA (never heard of it before) or how to deal with a child with speech delay, incontinence, possible learning difficulties. His dad knew even less and was even worse than me at dealing with him. There are loads of parents out there who don't have a clue a) that there is actually a reason why their child is how they are and b) how to deal with it.

I felt really sad for all the kids, but especially Adam. He just seemed so loving and caring but obviously had a lot of problems (as did all the kids), he just really pulled on my heartstrings and he came across as a very funny child.

Jarred was a sweetie as well. It's just such a shame, no doubt these kids are difficult to teach in a class of 30, but they have clearly been failed by our education system. I wish the show gave us a bit more insight into what Rosebery is and why the children behave the way they do and what exactly is being done to help them.