Homeland - a few questions for those who remember 1 and 3

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So, while we await the next series (which will not be the same without Peter, but nothing to be done about that), let's focus on the more distant past for a few minutes. Anyone able to help with the following?

1. In series 3, how did Saul know where Brody was being kept captive? Had Carrie tipped him off straight away after the bombing that Brody was in Canada and the CIA had him followed from there? And did Carrie know as well - I seem to remember the top guy telling Brody he knew Carrie Matheson?

1. Also in series 3, how did the CIA know the Iranian deputy head of secret service was behind the Langley bombing?

1. Why did people find Dana annoying? She seems pretty quick on the uptake to me in series 1 - and understandable if she is a bit miserable. She is the one who suspects something's up in series 1, well before Carrie calls on her in the last episode.

1. Why don't we think that Saul gave the prisoner the razor blade? He never passed the polygraph, did he? And someone must have tipped Walker off - we never find out who... Or, was it Estes?

Bumping for any saturday homelanders who may be able to assist!

1 - Local eyes/spies? Or from Carrie?
2 - Can't remember
3 - Her shoes, her voice, her drippiness
4 - Because St Saul is good. Polygraph is bunkum, as we saw with Brody lying about being faithful. St Saul left as he was onto something so left.

Not the best agent, am I?

Ha! I think with 2, we may never have been told.

On 3, I do have to agree with you about Dana's voice, but can't remember her shoes. I will have to check that. But drippiness? No way! She sensed something was up and did start a little light spying on Brody (or is it Brodie?) which for her age was quite impressive. She knew, deep down, that Carrie was on to something when Carrie visited her at the house.

yes, I suppose you're right, Brody is proof positive that lie detectors are fallible. Is that the only evidence against Saul, or did more emerge in series 2 - oh yes Aileen and the Glass?

Aileen was St Saul being kind. She told him she could no longer read & so he gave her his spare glasses, iirc. That was the start of SaulSnacks.

Be prepared for Cocolepew & others coming along & casting doubts on the Goodness of St Saul.

I thought Coco had converted recently? Or was that another mner who recanted?

I myself have found Saul too violent on occasion.

But actually I think Carrie gets far too easy a time with the viewers and mners. She totally betrays Lynn Reed in season 1 - actually lies to her that she has CIA protection. She is, therefore, partly responsible for her death (obviously I realise it is only her killer and the person who arranged it who are really responsible, but Lynn is lulled into going out to the car because Carrie has lied to her about having agents on her back.)

And she then makes the doctors wake Peter from his coma. It was interesting to see Rupert Friend on tv talking about Carrie and what she had done to Peter. I don't forgive her!

Never could stand Carrie. 1st series she was interesting as a character & the Brody story was v good. Since then though, she's just been bloody irritating imo.

As for pulling Quinn out of his coma, as if the poor sod hadn't suffered enough.

I've just watched HL from start to finish again so this feels all fresh to me.

1: Carrie didn't tell Saul anything. She stuck to her story that she had been unconscious in the bathroom for 14 hours after the explosion. Saul knew it was bullshit but she never admitted the truth. I guess the Venezuelan guys knew people who knew people who could contact the right people to get the money for trading brody.

2: javadi? I can't quite remember what the CIA knew but javadi wasn't responsible for the Langley bombing. It was one of Abu Nazir's men.

3: the whole brody family were whiny and irritating.

4: Saul didn't give it to him, Brody did.

Oh and yes, Carrie is a really annoying character. And a huge liability as an agent. She really is a threat to national security.

Yes Zilpha Carrie is a threat to national security, but also she is not even a good person. Unlike her lovely gorgeous sister who I love.

On question 2, it is confusing - yes it was one of nazir's men who bombed Langley, but at the end of series 3 it is javadi who tells Carrie that it was not Brodie who moved the car with the bomb in it. So Javadi did seem to have some knowledge or involvement in it - not sure how though.

Whiny and irritating - not cute little Chris in series 1, surely?! It annoyed me that Brodie cared so much more about Dana than Chris - he went to find her in series 3 before going on his last mission, but seemed not even to remember that Chris existed!

Oh Chris was even more annoying than Dana! I think because the actor grew/matured very quickly but the character didn't keep up. He was still playing a whiny (what felt like) 8 year old but looked like he was 16 by the end

Ah, how could anyone dislike Chris the teenager - he was such a support to Jessica in series 3 when Dana disappeared? I hope he is having a happy life now. Did Jessica end up back with Mark? I was never so anti Jessica - I thought she found herself in a really tricky position when Brodie returned, and handled it better than many would have!

Ok, another criticism of Carrie coming up. In series 1 she and Saul are (rightly) so condemning of the V-P's raid and the 'collateral damage'. Yet, we get to the beginning of series 4 and what does she do - she knows the farmhouse will be collateral damage!

Oh my goodness and what about Carrie making those false promises to the med student that she could get him into medical school in the UK - and then sleeping with him! She really has a very poor moral compass.

And Peter knows this - he definitely doesn't approve of that behaviour. He would have done much better to keep well away from Carrie and stay with the rather nice manager of the apartments. (Ok admittedly Carrie finds him in Germany when he's been left for dead.)

Aayan. That was awful. She really screwed him over. Poor aayan.

Yes, I'm not sure whether Aayan realised at the end that Carrie had deceived him and it was all a plot to find the uncle.

Question: after the attack on the convoy vehicles, when the head of counter-intelligence is about to phone for the army to go and help Carrie and Saul, his colleague (sorry can't remember either of their names) tells him to wait 10 minutes. Why does head of counter intel go along with that - nobody tells him it's orders from above, which he can't countermand. So is he actually persuaded by her argument?

Having just finished watching all seasons 1-5 on Netflix (I should not have read here. Gutted about Quinn as I've not seen s6 but that's my bad), I still can't help with most of the questions. I've been "watching" while cooking, ironing, internetti g ... however

I always assumed It was Brodie who handed over the razor blade. Saul failed the test because he had other things on his mind. As Brodie passed, even though he lied, it goes that Saul could fail even though he told the truth.

Re Dana - I really liked her. I hated her at first and thought it was poor stereotyping by the writers - middle class American teenager Into drugs, boyfriends, hates her parents (well, mom)' but she really quickly redeemed herself. She proved she was astute and clever and her developing respect for her mum really touched me.

I get why Brodie only went to see her at the end - Chris was a baby when he left, he hardly knew him, while he had lots of memories and emotions with Dana, he just had more of an emotional connection wit her when he returned and this got stronger as the storyline delveloped. I thought Dana was a great character and missed her these past 2 seasons.

Re Carrie - I have never understood her. In S1' she is a liability, treats Saul appallingly yet he is there for her; she treats Virgil (who I miss) like shit but he still does her bidding, s2' she disobeys orders and goes back into that apartment totally jeopardising the mission. Only in retrospect is it deemed worthwhile because she took the bag which had the SD card sewn into it, she didn't know that, she took the back to hold the files she steals etc, she's a bitch to her family, in S5' the russian baddie called her brilliant. I just don't see it - she gets lucky, but she threatens everything she is involved with.

I do like Peter Quinn though. Having literally finished S5 this afternoon where his letter to to Carrie declares his love for her, I now need to watch S6 somehow. I do like Saul. More than Carrie anyway, and can't help but see Salieri every time I see Dar Dhal.

The joys of Netflix - I get to watch a ton so episodes in a short length of time,

The downside of watching lots of episodes over a short lentght of time - I can only do so while doing other things so I kss the details, but I do get the gist. That still counts?