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AvaCrowder · 22/12/2016 23:17

I watched the first part, seriously in love with Laura. But surely one of her household did it.

Poor little girl.

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KimmySchmidtsFakeXmasSmile · 31/12/2016 14:58

I also happen to think certain cases should be discussed. One I cannot go into, had far more going on than just Killer = Evil, and there are questions surrounding safeguarding that really ought to have been disclosed in public.

BertrandRussell · 31/12/2016 14:59

"Then those that have no interest in psychology/motives/justice system and its flaws...."
You mean people who find prurient speculation about the unsolved death of a child distasteful? Who think that watching sensationalist TV programmes is "research" or "investigation" and somehow they will discover things the investigating officers won't? Yeah, right.

KimmySchmidtsFakeXmasSmile · 31/12/2016 15:02

Some of us read too, thanks.

BertrandRussell · 31/12/2016 15:10

Oh, yes. I forgot- is it called "True Crime" magazine? Hmm

KimmySchmidtsFakeXmasSmile · 31/12/2016 15:16

I am showing my age now but programmes like Rough Justice secured the release of 18 people. Making of a murderer and Serial have led to cases being reviewed. Prurient or not (and I have zero interest in sexual matters or sordid details, merely the evidence found by detectives cheers) an interest in cases where the verdict was dodgy or cold cases (that could now be looked at in light of new technology) means justice for the victim or poor sod malingering in jail who didn't do it.
I don't read magazines, no.

RacoonBandit · 31/12/2016 15:18

Bert you have made it clear you don't like true crime threads so why stay?

I don't like sporn threads so I don't open them let alone bother to comment on them.

I studied criminology as part of my course and it has left me with an interest in crime especially serial killers and unsolved crimes.
That does not mean I like the fact that somebody died it means I want to understand why somebody died. It is people's interest in criminology that producethe types of people who have careers that catch the killers and solve the crimes.

Humans are curious.

LordEmsworth · 31/12/2016 15:31

I watched the first part. Was shouting at the telly so couldn't be bothered with the second part. The programme makers very clearly made up their mind at the outset and set out to present the evidence that agreed with their thinking. I thought it was an outrageous exercise in confirmation bias, and not an even handed presentation of evidence and analysis of its meaning. It tells a convincing story, but you can't assume it's true - a tv programme can only ever present a proportion of the evidence, it would be very dull if there were no editorialising, so I'd take it with a pinch of salt...

BertrandRussell · 31/12/2016 15:34

"Bert you have made it clear you don't like true crime threads so why stay?"

Because they are despicable and I really want people to realize that.

RacoonBandit · 31/12/2016 15:39

No Bert that's just you opinion which you have voiced but posters clearly want to carry on the discussion despite knowing you dislike them.

I think your goal is to derail the thread/turn it in to a bun fight by throwing insults so Minhq delete it.

You are not in control of what other adults discuss on an open forum and I think it is sad that you believe yourself to have that power.

KimmySchmidtsFakeXmasSmile · 31/12/2016 15:39

Indeed. But what should not be taken with a pinch of salt is the 1999 grand jury indictment against the parents (two counts each) which the DA ignored.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 31/12/2016 15:41

I agree Kimmy it's unbelievable, isn't?

BertrandRussell · 31/12/2016 15:42

"You are not in control of what other adults discuss on an open forum and I think it is sad that you believe yourself to have that power."

I don't believe myself to have that power at all. But I have as much right to post as anyone and I think these threads and the programmes that engender them are despicable.

KimmySchmidtsFakeXmasSmile · 31/12/2016 15:43

Despicable me. Must get my minions.

Alfieisnoisy · 31/12/2016 15:44

I totally get what you are saying Bert.

I saw some of this documentary but I felt the overriding ethos was "the parents did it" and they simply brought in experts who agreed with that hypothesis.

I had to switch it off.

That said I do read these true crime things especially when it involves the death of a little girl who has never had justice.

Likewise I think the untold stories of the many children who have died while their parents were trying to get them from war torn areas to places of safety is a scandal.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 31/12/2016 15:49

I saw some of this documentary but I felt the overriding ethos was "the parents did it" and they simply brought in experts who agreed with that hypothesis

That wasn't what the experts said, they said they covered it up.

KimmySchmidtsFakeXmasSmile · 31/12/2016 15:50

www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/dec/12/serial-thrillers-why-true-is-popular-cultures-most-wanted
^Okay so this is fairly balanced.
www.theguardian.com/books/2013/oct/02/charles-graeber-top-10-true-crime-books
^Some of these have even won awards. Note The jigsaw man is not among them Wink

I can have the debate, more than happy to, but you seem intransigent Bert so I am not sure whether there is any point.

RacoonBandit · 31/12/2016 15:52

But I have as much right to post as anyone

Remember that when you start coming on to threads telling others what they can and cannot post about and calling them names.

RacoonBandit · 31/12/2016 16:00

Thank you for the links Kimmy they made for interesting reading.

BeyondIBringYouGoodTidings · 31/12/2016 16:02

The grand jury's decision of course being to indict both parents based on "unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly and feloniously permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child’s life or health" (that's a direct quote from a legal document so shouldn't be deletable)

RacoonBandit · 31/12/2016 16:03

Do you think the outcome would have been different if it happened in the UK courts?

BeyondIBringYouGoodTidings · 31/12/2016 16:04

Umm, a documentary like this (or even similar ones "proving" an intruder did it) is made after they come to a conclusion, so obviously it leans that way the whole way through. I thought people were aware of that?! Confused

You're supposed to watch it criticially, not be spoon fed.

BeyondIBringYouGoodTidings · 31/12/2016 16:05

I would like to hope, raccoon, that British police wouldn't fuck up the crime scene in the first place, so it would be much easier to find evidence.

RacoonBandit · 31/12/2016 16:06

Me too but the UK police have been known to fuck it up before.

mytinselsinatangle · 31/12/2016 16:08

It's the ransom note I find most strange. Why would an intruder go to the lengths of writing such a long note then not follow through with the kidnapping. The pen and paper used were from the house so it indicates that it was written in the house.

RacoonBandit · 31/12/2016 16:12

You would think that planning would have come in to it and they would have wrote it at home or used a more unidentifying method than their own handwriting.