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[ShelaghTurner]

So. Spoilers....

Mwahahahahaha 😈

Is anyone else fuming after last night's episode?

They portrayed it as a rape. There was violence, and she clearly communicated sue didn't want to. But then they showed her enjoying it once he forced her.... wtf bbc? Do we really need more rape myth promotion?

Apparently the bbc claim what they portrayed was consensual, but both I and my DH recognised it as rape.

They can fuck right off, because I am not watching that shite ever again.

metro.co.uk/2016/10/23/poldark-fans-accuse-show-of-glamourising-rape-as-ross-cheats-on-demelza-with-elizabeth-6210634/

This sums it up for me:

www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/10/23/poldark-in-whose-world-is-the-elizabeth-ross-rape-scene-consensu/

The bbc have promoted the idea that women who say no don't mean it. That using violence and intimidation to get sex is OK. That women enjoy rape once it starts. And they claim that what they showed = consent. No wonder people have such fucked up ideas about rape if this is what the national broadcaster shows.

I agree. That tired old trope about her saying no and then enjoying it? It's prehistoric. That's worse than the book and worse than the old series. I thought they were going to play it as a seduction. Aiden Turner is coming across as being as dim as his character.

I didn't see the end yet. I'm in a travelodge with my two dds and so didn't want them seeing it and turned it off before the end. Doesn't sound like they portrayed it as promised.

They claim what they portrayed was consensual and passionate, but it was just a glamorised rape with the same old rape myth tropes. Really poor.

Anyone who thinks that represents consent is to be avoided imo.

So they talked a good talk. Terrific.

Ugh

I really am not sure what to make of it all. No it wasn't consensual but it wasn't consensual in the book either. This is set in the 1700s and we are looking at it with 21st century eyes. Should they have tweaked it to look less like rape? Other dramas set in past eras haven't. How would they play out the morwenna ossie relationship if they had? The timing of it is unfortunate with the ched Evans case but the producers weren't to know. I don't agree that they are saying what happened is ok it is up to the viewer to decide what to make of it. What do people think they should have done when portraying that scene?

I think they made it worse but making it look as though she was consenting half way through. The producers said that they were going to show it as wholly consensual. This was a badly judged fudge, I think.

I was annoyed about George getting all huffy about elf and safety in the mine when the roof collapsed. I'm sure it wasn't in the book and he wouldn't have given a toss - also how did he know about the rood collapse so quickly - did someone text him? In the later books he has factories in Manchester and doesn't care about the conditions of the workers, in fact I'm pretty sure he thinks that there are too many people in the world and the weakest die - he thinks it's unfortunate but a fact of life.

Getting a bit fed up about how this series has been written, the first series was much truer to the book.

And far be it from me to bang on about Dwight and Caroline, but in the books Dwight was tormented by the end of their relationship. Last night he was almost cartwheeling with joy

The thing is it has to be a rape and not consensual. When George is haranguing Elizabeth later about Valentine's parentage she swears on the bible that she'd never given herself to any man except her two husbands. That reassures him because he knows she'd take swearing on the bible seriously.

A consensual act would mean that later scene can't happen.

But the BBC are arguing that last night's scene portrayed consensual sex. That's the problem.

Depicting rape on TV isn't wrong, but portraying a rape as consensual sex is.

I don't agree that they are saying what happened is ok

That's exactly what they're saying if you read the quotes from the producer and Aidan Turner.

This is spot on

www.ibtimes.co.uk/sorry-poldark-forcing-woman-have-sex-against-her-will-isnt-romantic-its-rape-1587983#

The bit with Tankard pursuing Demelza pissed me off last night. It was like the Monk Adderley scenario. All wrong at this point in the story. George wasn't even atthe party.

So it looks as if we are going to get a possible burning of Trenwith as in the 1975 version. I presume that the reconciliation between Dwight and Caroline must be in the last episode as well.