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Potus has driven into a tree, Sam has accidently slept with a prostitute and Josh is about to get fired! West Wing Series One rewatch starts here!!

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lilibet · 09/08/2006 10:21

So, episodes one and two this weekend everyone and a chat next week?

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tribpot · 20/08/2006 20:20

Sorry chaps, have been busy being ill, then ds was ill, then dh threatened to be ill but wasn't (but his ongoing health problems were more than enough to keep me busy with trips to the hospital and emails negotiating treatment changes, la la la).

Anyway, needless to say have got totally carried away with Series 1 in a fiesta of truly great writing, every scene a gem and every moment a delight.

For pregnancy trivia, yes, Joey Lucas fell foul of the "WW single-episode pregnancy syndrome", I think it was later than S4 but I'm not certain, I shall investigate!

Grand-daugher: yes, her age doesn't really work with the timelines so I think they keep her at no more than age 12 for quite a few years.

Interesting to note that Zoey is originally going to study medicine, although law is what's mentioned more frequently later?

Kenny does get some time off - he's not in the episode when Josh makes Joey fly to Washington to tell her about the Pres' condition, she has a different interpreter, Dale?

I'd also dispute the theory that the West Wing doesn't have strong female characters, not to mention fantastic black characters like Fitz "I'm the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, beat that with a stick". What's interesting is the problems the administration face getting Mendoza confirmed to the bench in S1 when in S7 apparently a Hispanic presidential candidate is all fine and dandy. I think society has moved on quite a lot in the interim but even so.

The one thing that sticks out from the pilot is why all the staff get informed about POTUS' tree episode at 5:30 a.m., when he actually rode into the tree the day before.

Just watched the brilliant Josh press conference with the secret plan to fight inflation and Toby's response: "did you fall down and hit your head on something hard?"

Anyway, will re-focus on eps 1-4 for the week to come!

lilibet · 20/08/2006 22:20

Good to see you tripbot, sorry about your families health woes but knew that we could rely on you to come good with the WW trivia!

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Ellbell · 21/08/2006 11:38

Welcome back tribpot, sorry to hear about all the health problems.

Episodes 3 and 4 are both fantastic, but 3 is, I think, the best so far. Just one thing bothering my pedantic little head (lionheart, I'm relying on you to back me up here...). Surely the episode title should be A Proportionate Response (not 'proportional') and in the discussion in the Sit Room he should have been discussing the virtues of a proportionate versus a disproportionate response. In fact, I'm not even sure that 'disproportional' exists.

Great line in episode 3:

Toby: There is no law, there is no justice
Josh (sotto voce): He's just getting that now...

Charlie is loveliness personified in that episode, and Fitz is seriously wonderful. I luuurrve Fitz.

Ellbell · 21/08/2006 11:40

PS (still re 'disproportional')... Ironically, this in an episode where Josh tells Donna that 'I don't think we're allowed to invent words'!

Cappuccino · 21/08/2006 11:41

hello

are you watching this on TV? cos dh came across the last five mins of an early episode last night but couldn't remember where or when

do you have times for me?

and if so can I join? I love West Wing

Ellbell · 21/08/2006 11:44

Hi Cappuccino

We're (mostly) watching on video/dvd - mostly because we're too WW-greedy to watch just one episode a week. However, More4 are showing the whole series from the beginning on Sunday nights at 8.00 p.m. The one that was on last night was episode 3 of series 1, so you haven't missed much.

Cappuccino · 21/08/2006 12:26

we did get the penultimate series on dvd and watched 3-4 episodes a week

and then were sad when they'd gone

lionheart · 21/08/2006 13:54

Ellbell: We could we give them the benefit of the doubt and say that it is a deliberate
error and a nod to the post-modern sensibilities of the audience.

Or, perhaps just shrug it off 'cos they are, after all, American.

motherinferior · 21/08/2006 13:58

Oh! Hurrah! When's it on?

I have a very, very fond memory of sitting with a very very small DD1 on my knee, watcing the previous night's episode, during my first maternity leave. I felt all warm and cuddly and finally At One with my new precious baby...

...and then she farted really, really loudly.

Dannie · 21/08/2006 14:14

This is NOT FAIR! We can't get Freeview cos we live under a cliff, so DH signed up for Freesat, which doesn't include More4. There is only one programme on TV I want to watch, and I STILL can't get it!

Ellbell · 21/08/2006 15:22

Ooh, great... lots of people are coming out of the woodwork!

lionheart: if it was any other American programme I'd just, you know, sigh in the usual manner... but not the West Wing. The president is supposed to be more intelligent than that (which is why I also have a problem with him calling his daughter Zoey with a -y, but that's another story).

Dannie - that's tragic. You'll have to buy a box-set!

tribpot · 21/08/2006 15:29

I think proportional is a word, albeit maybe an American one: see here . Having said that, we do talk about Proportional Representation (well, if we talk about it at all, that's what we call it) not Proportionate Representation.

Thank goodness Charlie turns up in Ep 3, was v concerned when I realised he wasn't in Ep 2.

lionheart · 21/08/2006 18:42

On that point, Ellbell, it's always interesting to see how intelligence is portrayed on screen and to what extent the usual stereotypes are recycled (the bicycle incident!).
I'd forgotten that Charlie was there so early on in series 1.

lionheart · 21/08/2006 18:43

Do you have a soft spot for him Tribpot?

tribpot · 22/08/2006 08:32

Actually not in that way lionheart, Charlie is too young - boom boom - for me But his character just works so brilliantly with the Pres, tis a joy to behold.

Just rewatched the classic exchange between Josh and CJ -

JOSH: You know what, CJ? I really think I'm the best judge of what I mean, you paranoid Berkeley shiksa feminista... Wow, that was way too far.
CJ: No. No. Well, I've got a staff meeting to go to and so do you, you elitist, Harvard, fascist, missed-the-dean's-list-two-semesters-in-a-row Yankee jackass.
JOSH: Feel better getting that off your chest there, C.J.?
CJ: I'm a whole new woman.

MrsBadger · 22/08/2006 08:53

Caught up with Sunday's last night - I'd never known before how Charlie arrived or what his backstory was (when it was obvious he had a significant one) - has now all falled into place.

Dannie - Amazon rent series out one disc at a time - we watch a lot of stuff this way and it means your house doesn't fill up with box sets!

Ellbell · 22/08/2006 11:09

To me, 'proportional' is more 'mathematical' (hence PR is ia system in which the number of seats a party gets in parliament is directly mathematically links to the number of votes cast) whereas 'proportionate' is more metaphorical. (Anyone think I'm getting too obsessive about this? )

Charlie is just a BOY, lionheart! Especially in that first episode when he's introduced... Bless!

Love that exchange, tribpot. Also love it when the Pres has double-dosed on back-pain drugs and starts telling everyone how much he loves them - especially when he hugs Toby. The words 'hug' and 'Toby' are not ones that often occur in the same sentence!

lionheart · 22/08/2006 11:29

Yes, he is, isn't he?

lionheart · 22/08/2006 11:37

Let it go, Ellbell.

Dannie · 22/08/2006 13:03

MrsBadger that may be the answer, thanks! Beats paying Murdoch for access to a channel that's supposed to be free, anyhow.

motherinferior · 22/08/2006 13:11

So WHEN IS IT ON???

MrsBadger · 22/08/2006 13:12

Sunday 8pm More4

motherinferior · 22/08/2006 13:15

Oooh, thank you. How very lovely.

Ellbell · 22/08/2006 13:16

Phew... that's better

Tribpot, wasn't the problem with Mendoza that he was too liberal, rather than too Hispanic (though obviously that's a factor)? I can't quite remember the mechanics of it all, though. Guess we'll find out quite soon.

motherinferior · 22/08/2006 13:17

and I can't remember which one Charlie is...

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