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fucking hate Naomi Campbell (The Face)

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killpeppa · 28/10/2013 21:50

what a screamy idiot, grow up and get off my screen...

rant over

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areyoubeingserviced · 29/10/2013 15:33

I have heard it used by many people when describing a black person who they have a problem with. Rather than just say i don't get on with

mignonnette · 29/10/2013 15:36

Erin O Connor set up a 'Model Sanctuary' at London Fashion Weeks where models can go to rest, be advised on health and nutrition and be fed healthy food in between shows.

When you remember that models may be fifteen or sixteen but are self employed/freelance travelling from continent to continent away from their families and friends you see how important this is. Many are also studying in their spare time too.

People don't really get how stressful modelling is. The money at the top is good but most models are not there yet. They are at the mercy of predatory photographers such as Terry Richardson (link here) and the accounts of his activities make chilling reading with top models such as Coco Rocha speaking out about him. They are not encouraged to eat healthily as much as the industry bleats about taking care of them.

And as for racism- Prada was praised recently because it finally used a black model as a 'face' after years of Caucasian faces only. Link here. I am not praising them and neither should anybody else. Instead we should be asking their casting director Russell Marsh WHY he hardly ever uses non white models. They are racist.

Yves St Laurent used black models at a time when they were rarely seen on the runway. He liked the way they looked at a time (still thought now though when it was said that black women were 'too strong' for the clothes; that they 'undermined the clothing'. However look at fashion editorial and runway and how many times will you see the black model wearing the 'Safari' look, Animal Print/ethnic prints/'tribal style' jewellery? It happens a lot.

Each decade/fashion cycle you will see only a few famous black models. It appears to be 'fashion law' that only one is allowed or our pretty little fashion heads would explode. We have an unofficial 'quota' system like Harvard and other leading US universities employed to limit the admission of Jewish students.

In the 70's we had Beverley Johnson the first black woman to get a US Vogue cover in 74 followed by Iman as the decade came to a close;

In the early 80's we had Waris Dirie followed by Naomi followed by Tyra. These women were often 'set against' each other and seen as the interchangeable 'black model although Veronica Webb was the first black model to get a Revlon contract';

In the 90's we still had Naomi but her star waned a little to allow in Liya Kebede who managed to get an Estee Lauder contract in 2003;

Now we have Chanel Iman, Jourdan Dunn and Liya Kebede who still works at superstar level. Alec Wek for me is one of the few black models who is very very dark skinned. Most black models seem to be photoshopped to the degree that they seem to get lighter skinned as their careers progress. She is utterly utterly beautiful.

The fact that I can name pretty much all the non Caucasian models in the directory of top earners in modelling over the last fifty years say it all.

Naomi Campbell might be a pain, aggressive and rudely tardy but she does not have a 'chip on her shoulder'. She is absolutely right when she talks of racism in fashion. Is it deliberate or inherited lazy attitudes? Both, I think. But she is also very much part of the stereotyping of 'the angry black woman' which Michelle Obama has been a 'victim' of in the past. Does she play into the racists hands? At times yes she has sadly. But I won't accept discrediting of her argument and campaign against racism.

lottieandmia · 29/10/2013 15:40

Naomi Campbell does not have a chip on her shoulder about black models - she is quite correct that there are some designers who don't use black models and that that is racist!

I agree Erin is really lovely - she's so down to earth. And Caroline seems really fun. The three mentors are all very different because it makes for good tv.

areyoubeingserviced · 29/10/2013 15:40

Great post Mig

areyoubeingserviced · 29/10/2013 15:40

Great post Mig

mignonnette · 29/10/2013 15:52

Thank you - it is another one of my soap box pet gripes Sad

RunFatGirlRun · 29/10/2013 15:53

Excellent post Mignonette.

I loathe N.C. but she's bang on about black models. The self-congratulation when (for eg) Jourdan Dunn gets a cover is grotesque. Imagine if the ethnic diversity of the fashion industry was reflected in any other field - there'd be uproar.

mignonnette · 29/10/2013 16:00

They get away with illegality. I named Russell Marsh deliberately and I name Katie Grand also because she has a lot of power in the industry.

Davros · 29/10/2013 16:04

She is to be admired for her stand and views on black models but she still seems quite horrible!

RunFatGirlRun · 29/10/2013 16:04

Katie Grand's the editor of LOVE, right?

I cannot fathom the logic of a monochrome catwalk. Think of the purchasing power of the communities they refuse to represent Confused

The worst, the absolute worst, was the Vogue shoot a while back where they blacked up Lara Stone (I think?). Hmm

noddyholder · 29/10/2013 16:05

I love this show though

Davros · 29/10/2013 16:06

In fact, the stuff she said on WH this morning on this subject was very powerful and interesting including naming and shaming her ex- agent. It's worth listening to on Iplayer

RunFatGirlRun · 29/10/2013 16:06

Yep, it was French Vogue.

Just to make it more clunkingly offensive she was, of course, dressed like some sort of haute Masai warrior. Words fail.

mignonnette · 29/10/2013 16:17

Runfatgirlrun

I saw that- there are no words. It is a perfect example of what i said about black models=African setting. Anyway such is the racism that they prefer black models with Caucasian features; paler skin, smaller noses, thinner lips so 'blacking up' a white (Dutch) model solves the problem of what to do w/ all those 'Ethnic features' (I need an irony emoticon here).

Italian Vogue did an edition w/ solely models of colour in but what a tiny drop in the ocean and for me it seemed gimmicky. Mundane everyday representation is what needed.

Yes Katie Grand edits Love Magazine but she is the stylist for Prada among other fashion houses. When you consider the clout she wields, using black girls more often would make others follow suit and Katie, that doesn't mean posing them with a bone through their nose Angry.

Engaging w/ the growing African American and Hispanic population in the USA means they are going to have to give them models on covers that are aspirational to them. The emerging Chinese/Middle Eastern and Indian markets will also exert their influence.

The worrying thing is that what will happen is increasing pressure on these new young female customers to modify their non Cauc features instead and to reset their cultural ideas of what beauty is in their country. You only need to google skin whitening/hair straightening/eyelid surgery/nose modification carried out on young girls in places like South Korea to know that this is happening already.

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