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1949 benefits programme on C4 now..who is watching?

389 replies

Allthingspretty · 12/08/2013 21:13

anyone?

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Katiebeau · 19/08/2013 22:07

TheChimp - I agree! Stupid. Look what some help and some neighbours achieved.

EeTraceyluv · 19/08/2013 22:16

I cringed when the messy house woman said at the end 'we just get money thrown at us - benefits keep going up' That's going to have the benefit bashers rubbing their hands with glee!

WithConfidence · 19/08/2013 22:17

It's interesting what 1949 did better. Plenty of people could do with a stern auntie type who came in to teach them to cook or clean better or to organise decent work experience.

But I didn't like all that crap at the end about lifestyle choices. It wasn't my lifestyle choice for my husband to become abusive once I got pregnant. (Some interesting stats about working single parents and poverty here).

Interesting what someone said upthread about not forcing people to jump through hoops. I know what you mean as people who take the piss will not be phased about requirements and will just find a way around it. But the cost and the detrimental effect it has on people who have mental health problems etc surely points to a negative outcome overall?

farrowandbawl · 19/08/2013 22:25

Teaching them how to cook and clean was taught a lot more then. A lot of pride was taken in your home inside and out. You don't get that anymore and it is a shame.

farrowandbawl · 19/08/2013 22:26

them? Sorry. That's rude. Teaching people I mean.

StephenFrySaidSo · 19/08/2013 22:33

very upsetting programme tonight. i'm not sure I could have remained calm in Nicola's position when she was told her Dc would be taken into care. I got very angry just watching, but I suppose she knew it wasn't real.

one thing I am interested in is the effect of the rehabilition officer/unsuitable tenant thing.

I will be honest and say that in the worst stage of my depression as a LP my house just went to pot, I actively avoided having people in it. I hid when the doorbell went, I didn't answer the phone incase it was someone saying they would call over- this was all so that no-one found out how badly I was living. it was no where near as bad as the house shown tonight but for someone who used to be very houseproud I was ashamed of what I had let it become and I needed for NO-ONE to find out. I think if I had been bound by the rules of allowing a housing inspector or someone to pay regular visits I would have been far less likely to have let it get so bad, but more importantly I think if there was that dedicated support system there for once it was bad (rehabilitation officer and community support) then I would have gotten out of the rut far sooner than I did.

I know it isn't at all high on the Govt agenda but I definitely think that Is something we could take from the 1949 system. they can keep their racism and woman hating though!

StephenFrySaidSo · 19/08/2013 22:36

it's funny, a friend and I were just talking about this today. we were saying how neither of us were taught to cook by parents, nor do we actually need to to survive as convenience food is very cheap and easy to do. we both agreed that cooking, running a home, caring for children, managing finances etc should all be taught from the earliest age (I said in school- year1- but I know some don't agree with this)

farrowandbawl · 19/08/2013 22:46

I think it needs to be taught earlier than year 1.

You can teach 2 year olds to put their toys away.

StephenFrySaidSo · 19/08/2013 23:11
Grin

I was thinking more the financial management, cooking etc.

but yes I agree with you, you can teach a two year old to tidy toys away. my point however was that for many- they aren't being taught any of these lifeskills at home which is why you do get situations where a person cant manage their bills when they leave home or doesn't know the basics of cooking which is why I said year 1 as that is the earliest every child legally has to be in school (if not home educated) so that is the earliest it can be taught if it's not being taught at home. (hope that makes sense)

IneedAyoniNickname · 19/08/2013 23:58

Like StephenFrySaidSo when my depression was at its worst, my house was neglected. I also used to pretend to be out, and avoid letting people in. It was in some ways worse than the one on the programme, although my grill pan was never that bad.

I do think its different, in the sense that I was single, broken hearted, depressed, trying to cope with 2 very sad dc because daddy had introduced them to his gf less than 6 weeks after he left. That couple on the tv had 2 adults, surely between them they could have kept the house clean? Although, that said, I don't know what their mental states are.

In my case, ss got involved, and I had weekly planned, and occasional unannounced visits from them, and a family worker. They did things like make me a4 sheets to go on the walls in every room, listing what had to be done and how often, eg Hoover twice a week, that kind of thing. Similar to the rehabilitation officer maybe?

williaminajetfighter · 20/08/2013 12:24

Yikes, just saw the show in full. The family with the filthy house were so depressing. Mum and dad looked like they needed a wash and a toothbrush and had such limited life skills - cleaning up is okay when the neighbors do it for you!

Felt dreadfully sorry for the kids who are going to have a really tough go with parents like that. I appreciate that some people grew up in hhlds where they may not have learned to cook but not learning how to clean? Dear god, I hope they don't bring in rehabilitation officers to show people how to clean. bonkers.

Also what's with the glut of ugly, puffy leather sofas? Are they de rigeur? Sorry, couldn't help myself.

StephenFrySaidSo · 20/08/2013 12:40

ineed

how did you find the SS intervention? was it supportive? gentle? forceful? how did you feel about someone intervening and making you tidy up? were you relieved?

also how long did it take before SS became involved and why did they become involved? did someone report it you? would you have wanted it sooner or not at all?

no problem if you don't want to answer. this just interests me after seeing the effect on last night's show.

alemci · 20/08/2013 15:59

did feel sorry for Hansen? He was a lovely chap.

the messy couple had a lovely house to go to. the guy could have made a bit more effort to clear up. hard to understand.

poor old Nicola. she seemed to have an unstable childhood.

salsmum · 22/08/2013 02:27

I too thought Karen (nail lady) was making a little bit too much of an issue about what she cannot do...ironically she couldn't pick up a potato....but in the next clip picked up a largish handbag from floor level Hmm and slung it on her shoulder.

salsmum · 22/08/2013 02:29

This week the parents with the messy house...although they had 4 children 3 were school age so therefore only 1 baby was there at home during the day?????

Wickedgirl · 24/08/2013 19:28

I really felt for the single mum. She was doing a good job with her girls until the state took away her flat and money. Very sad.

farrowandbawl · 26/08/2013 21:09

Here we go again....

Who is it this week?

RandomMess · 26/08/2013 21:09

Hmm interesting so far!

twistyfeet · 26/08/2013 21:10

goodness, the first woman!

farrowandbawl · 26/08/2013 21:12

The boy is in for a big shock.

StephenFrySaidSo · 26/08/2013 21:26

ooh that lad needs a kick up the bum! silly boy- does he really think helping his mum around the house is a valid reason to turn down a job! because he's tired??

farrowandbawl · 26/08/2013 21:29

Agreed about the kick up the bum.

He wants everything instantly. A well paid job, all the benefits, the lifestyle and he wants it yesterday. Not prepared to earn or work for it.

No one seems to be prepared to work from the floor up as it were anymore.

twistyfeet · 26/08/2013 21:32

I hope the average person watching this isnt thinking the 'bad claimant' potrayed isnt the usual.

Tasmania · 26/08/2013 21:34

That Ashley boy - why on earth does he get housing benefit? I don't think he has ever worked before.

Are we meant to be sponsoring all wannabe rappers??? There's about one in a million chance he'd make it!!

StephenFrySaidSo · 26/08/2013 21:34

i had to laugh when he said to the man "you want me to learn how to budget my money then... (something like) 'you should let me be in charge of it'

he totally missed the point that you have to earn money before you have any to budget! Grin

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