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Growing up poor - boys

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 16/01/2013 21:02

I wonder how it'll be different for them compared to the girls?
On Bbc 3 now.

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 16/01/2013 21:06

Lots of punches in walls/doors so far - angry young men Sad

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ClaraBean · 16/01/2013 21:26

I just feel so desperately sad for them :( I really hope Frankie gets to uni, he seems like a good chap, trying hard, and learning from his mistakes.

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 16/01/2013 21:27

Frankie seems like a good kid, shame about his criminal record.

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 16/01/2013 21:28

I think it a shame that one of them is seeing the army as an escape.

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 16/01/2013 21:52

Wesley should become a pe teacher or coach Smile

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toomuch2young · 16/01/2013 22:04

Yes, hope it works out well for them.
I think the army can give lots of structure and purpose to these angry young men and prevens the desperation and lack of jobs here that lead to poverty on benefits, and in some cases, to involvement in drugs or violence. I can see why it's an appealing escape, though obviously not an easy life, perhaps still a lot better.

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 16/01/2013 22:08

It can but at the risk of dying Sad

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SPsFanjoIsAsComfyAsAOnesie · 16/01/2013 22:17

I recorded and getting to end of it now

£27,000 in debt just by going to uni.

Wes seems like a good lad.

Booyhoo · 16/01/2013 22:28

it's so bloody infuriating that so many young people dont/cant even consider university due to cost. i know uni cost money. i know that, but i really hate that so many young people have to rule it out as 'just not going to happen'

Nancy66 · 16/01/2013 22:54

Ahh how made up was Wes when he got that job. I liked him, seemed like he had a very sensible head on some very young shoulders.

Hate to say it but the best way for Frankie to get a job is to stop talking in that bloody stupid Jamaican accent!

toomuch2young · 16/01/2013 22:59

nancy66 that is unfortunately a common misconception, the accent is not fake, or fake Jamaican, it is his accent!! Just cos he has white skin doesn't mean he can't have picked up a dialect from a young age. An inner city accent yes - don't make it fake or any easier to stop speaking like that than someone living and brought up in Ireland to stop talking with an Irish accent!!

Nancy66 · 16/01/2013 23:08

if he is from london then it's fake isn't it?

Londoners don't speak like that. I accept it may have become a habit and he now doesn't know he's doing it but he sounds stupid.

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 16/01/2013 23:53

It does sound annoying and agree that it'd enhance his job/university interviews if he didn't have it as the accent often has connotations of gangs and violence.
It's a shame that an accent can make that much difference though. He seemed quite determined I'm sure he will try his hardest to get to a good place in his life Smile

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Booyhoo · 17/01/2013 00:18

might be news to you nancy but londoners come with all sorts of accents. they aren't all born and raised there and the accents that come from far and wide get picked up by the next generations. accents and use of language change with each new generation. it may not be what you consider to be a london accent but maybe you dont know london as well as you think you do. how you speak probably isn't true to how people from your area spoke 50 years ago.

PuffPants · 17/01/2013 00:35

God, I thought it was even more depressing than the girls one.

All those babies too. What an awful future they have, just more of the same. The girl saying how hard it is to raise her child alone, struggling for money etc - did this not occur to her before deciding to get pregnant? Their generation has access to extensive sex education and free contraception, what possesses them to get knocked up and attempt to support a baby on no money and no prospects. Just so futile and depressing. When I see babies being willingly and deliberately delivered into poverty, I feel quite angry.

Booyhoo · 17/01/2013 00:48

wes' friend was pissing me off. i dont know if he was acting for the camera but while he was asking wes for money to buy electric the were sitting infront of a lamp burning in the middle of the day then he says he needs baby milk and talked about going out and, i'm guessing buying drugs to sell?( i couldn't make him out very well) and he's sitting there with a big chunky chain round his neck and massive tv in the corner of the room. and this isn't a he's got a goat thread because i'm on benefits and i know how hard it is but i would gladly sell any and all jewellery and tv phone anything if i couldn't afford baby milk. no way would selling drugs ever be an option.

PuffPants · 17/01/2013 00:55

I noticed that Boo, it's funny how they had money for cigarettes and jewellery and Blackberries but nothing for the baby's milk. I sincerely hope that was set up for the film crew. If that baby is truly not being fed then social services need to step in.

Booyhoo · 17/01/2013 01:04

i do think it was acting up. i really do. it seemed a bit staged or obvious tbh. i just couldn't believe that he would honestly sit there on camera and talk about selling drugs (IF that is what he said. is it?) in order to buy baby milk when he had this stuff around him. i'm hoping it was a shit attempt at trying to show how hard things were that some people feel they have no choice but to sell drugs. i could have understood if it had come from the boy called craig as he really really didn't have anything once his mum sold the house, i could have believed that someone in his situation might feel it was their only option. but not that lad with the nice house and nice clothes and jewellery and big tv.

please nobody take this as an ignorant goat post because i am the last person to come out with that tripe i really am. i'm always sitting on the benefits are fucking shit side of the fence and i know people are entitled to a wee smoke when things are so crap. thsi just felt different. as i said. i hope it was set up.

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 17/01/2013 07:00

I think they were playing up to the cameras. Tbh though for them it's probably easier to make some money selling some drugs than it is to find decent work.
They should prioritise their gold chains and blackberry selling first though - perhaps there's a sense of entitlement lingering there too.

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lljkk · 17/01/2013 07:57

My mother resorted to stealing food for herself when she had to spend all her money on babymilk. I think she was still smoking, though. :(

Nancy66 · 17/01/2013 08:23

Booyhoo - I live in London and have done for many years so I know all about it thanks. However there is no way that Frankie's accent is anything other than an affectation. Any dialect expert will tell you that.

The good news is he'll probably drop it as he gets older. You hear a lot of young kids talk like that but, thankfully, not many once they passed their mid 20s

akaemmafrost · 17/01/2013 14:51

It makes me unsurprised at the riots of 2011 tbh, if this is all these kids have to look forward to. I know they weren't all in this position though.

Life seems really, really sh*t for an awful lot of youngsters Sad.

akaemmafrost · 17/01/2013 14:54

The army can be great life actually, well it used to be before Afghanistan. Good accommodation, good food, a real sense of purpose, a great social life. I know a lot of blokes who say they would never have dreamed of the life they now have because of joining the forces.

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 17/01/2013 16:22

Of course the army can provide that - but like I say at the risk of death. Sad

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Blondeshavemorefun · 17/01/2013 19:32

sad watching again

is rotherham such a bad poor place to leave - the girls were from there and obv did one boy from london and birmingham as well as rotherham

all 3 did have parents, i did feel sorry for craig - he wanted to better his life by doing a sports course but £10 a week and a bus pass - how can you live off that? he is training to help the youth of today

i did wonder where craigs mum was going to live as couldnt sell the house, again sad fact she had the house for years and a job, lost her job and then loses her house :( plus is pregnant - no mention of the dad and assume from the toys in living room and slide in garden that she had another child say 2/4years as well :(

but had money for fags

welsey kid (very cute) but in designer football kit and trainers rather then say cheap clothes from george/tesco

Welseys friend who apparently couldnt buy milk for the baby, yet as booey said lived in a nice flat/house, had a nice necklace, phone, tv etc - think welsey was using an ipod/iphone as had headphones attached to it - yes i would sell anything i had rather then baby starve-where was the mum of his friends baby?

do they not do milk vouchers anymore, sorry if thats an ignorant thing to say, i worked in a shop years ago and a lady always paid for her babies milk with a coupon -think laura said something about £3.50 towards milk when in the market

maybe child benefit should be paid that way with vouchers with name on them and to use them you need to use id???

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