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Please can someone explain Keith Lemon to me?

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MrsHelsBels74 · 27/07/2012 14:28

I just don't see why 'he' exists, other than to irritate the hell out of me!

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MrsHelsBels74 · 30/07/2012 16:43

I guess I don't really get 'character comedians'. Ali G was funny in small doses, Alan Partridge and Mr Bean just make me cringe & I think you've gathered my thoughts on Keith Lemon Grin

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RubyFakeNails · 30/07/2012 17:05

See I''ve always found them hilarious, particularly when you don't get that break of reality and its just all character.

David Brent?

limitedperiodonly · 30/07/2012 21:07

I suspect that comedians who want to be interviewed in character don't want to answer awkward questions about the motivation, impact and effectiveness of their humour.

That's Steve Coogan (who can be dull), Sacha Baron Cohen (who is bigoted) and Leigh Francis (who unlike the other two, is just not funny at all).

AnnieLobeseder · 30/07/2012 22:23

limited - how is Sacha Baron Cohen bigoted? He's got utter cringeworthy since Ali G, but I've never seen him as bigoted.

Personally, I only like 'clever' humour - twists on words, comments on society, humour that builds up, never tears down. I do not like humour that comes any anyone else's expense.

MrsHelsBels74 · 30/07/2012 22:25

See I did love The Office but I think that's because David Brent wasn't TOO much of a caricature whereas the others are a bit extreme.

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RubyFakeNails · 30/07/2012 22:31

I think I like a mix. I love going to comedy shows, I'm not someone ho vet takes anything seriously (which has its own set of problems) but I tend to find I'll laugh at anyone. Except Eddie Izzard and that awful Baldy from mock the week, Tim Vine and some guy I once saw who pretty much burped his entire set.

How is SBC bigoted, isn't his main objective to expose the ridiculousness of prejudice, particularly in his recent stuff?

RubyFakeNails · 30/07/2012 22:32

*who takes, don't know where ho vet came from.

limitedperiodonly · 31/07/2012 10:15

The Borat creation was bigoted and a continuation of Ali G. Ali G was funny but ultimatedly too manipulative to amuse me much when I woke up to how one-sided the interviews were.

Borat, in particular, existed to pander to SBC's prejudices and world view - that's fine, it's art, I'd just like him to be honest about it.

Instead he and his production company rolled up, misled if not actually lied to people, and distorted them for our entertainment and SBC's bank balance. Used to - they can't play that game any more. So he's retreated to 'satirising' in stuff like The Dictator which isn't funny enough.

In what strange world is it okay for a person with something as powerful as a Hollywood studio behind him to do that to 'little' people? Some parts of Hollywood have a proud tradition of standing up to that kind of thing.

It's actually the way vicious regimes have spread lies and disinformation about minority groups all over the world. I'm sure that irony isn't lost on someone as clever as SBC.

When he was making Borat and Ali G In The USA people could only appear in his films on his terms. In every case they didn't know what the terms were until the final edit.

With Borat, if they spoke English, they were made to sign contracts which have been shown to be misleading, if not actually fraudulent. If they didn't speak English, like the people in the 'Kazakh' village, they didn't even get that privilege. His 'co-stars' got the shit ripped out of them and in some cases were libelled and there was bugger-all they could do about it.

If someone is connected enough to put a stop to it, like Naomi Wolf was, they are attacked crudely. When she stood up to him his production company portrayed her in subsequent newspaper pieces as a humourless grump who takes herself far too seriously. My, my, what a groundbreaking picture of a feminist.

Couple of things that struck me as crude, unfunny bullying in Borat - apart from the whole Kazakh village sequence: the sequence in New York City where Borat was sexually harassing and insulting women. Borat isn't a real person, it's SBC under those clothes actually sexually abusing women with impunity while everyone laughs.

There was no come-back; no satisfying conclusion where his behaviour was shown to be wrong.

The bit where he's insulting people too polite and bewildered to object at the dinner party: I didn't notice them agreeing with him. Again, he gratuitously insulted a woman. What was that about apart giving you another clue to SBC's view of women? Did he want to have a fight with her husband? That would have been really funny too.

The bit at the rodeo where people were cheering him on in his racism. Yes, they did seem racist but by that time I'd got a bit fed up with seeing things through SBC's prism and editing. And the message that rednecks can be bigots wasn?t telling anything we didn't know.

Anti-semitism exists, and especially so in in parts of the former Soviet Union as well as Eastern Europe. But if SBC wants to bring that to wider attention he could make a straight documentary on it with real examples of real people, portrayal of State-sanctioned anti-semitism and interviews with anti-racists in those countries.

It would be easy to find concrete examples but maybe that was a little bit too much hard work. It also wouldn't build him a Hollywood acting career.

AnnieLobeseder · 31/07/2012 12:18

limited - I'd agree with you that SBC can be bullying, and he uses his 'humour' to make people look stupid - not a type of humour I like. When he was doing Ali G, he was exposing the stereotyped world view that a lot of his interviewees had. At that point, I had a lot of respect for him and what he was doing. Borat and all subsequent films have been about laughing at people just for the sake of laughing at them and I have no time for that.

But I still fail to see how he is a bigot. For all the idiotic way he goes about things, his work seems to be about exposing people's prejudices by pretending to agree with them.

limitedperiodonly · 31/07/2012 13:53

I think a lot of his motivation is bigoted - calling people anti-semitic with no concrete proof is vile. If they are anti-semitic I'd be happy to see them exposed. I'd do it myself though I'm not Jewish. It's not exactly hard to find proof.

I don't see how mocking and intimidating women passing a shop window or saying a blameless woman at a dinner table is ugly is exposing prejudice. It's bullying and it makes me wonder what joy he gets from it.

Likewise setting people up and exploiting their good nature and reluctance to ridicule or confront a foreigner even if he expresses offensive views. It's not holding a mirror up to hypocrisy. It's meaningless. There are legitimate targets. SBC should pick them instead.

I'm surprised to learn that Larry David produced The Dictator and maybe some other SBC stuff.

I love Curb Your Enthusiasm. It cleverly mocks anti-semitism, racism, hypocrisy and exposes some of the less-than-lovely prejudices of Judaism and some Jewish people.

David isn't afraid to show himself as a git too.

I'd read that he didn't ridicule a cast member until he'd run it past them.

I wonder how he squares that high ethical standard with SBC's work methods.

AnnieLobeseder · 31/07/2012 14:02

Bigoted against who though? I still don't see it. Bullying, yes, bigoted, no.

limitedperiodonly · 31/07/2012 14:32

He sees anti-semitism where it isn't, or at least where he hasn't proved it to be.

He's eager to encourage hostility towards people he has a problem with just on his say-so. That's the essence of bigotry to me.

EssexGurl · 31/07/2012 18:36

Yes. Simples. He is crap. Avoid.

AnnieLobeseder · 01/08/2012 17:43

Nope, I still say it's bullying, not bigotry. But that's just semantics. It's appalling behaviour either way.

SoleSource · 01/08/2012 18:11

Keith was funny but not for about 2 years.

tygercat52 · 17/10/2014 20:49

omg why do the tv companies pay him ...he is
unfunny
ridiculous
a knob

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