Ruby Wax's Mad Confessions on NOW

[CuriousMama]

I'd forgotten it was on. Sounds really interesting?

Channel 4 btw.

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Hello, I've just come from the mh board to see if anyone was discussing this.

Think it's really good and Ruby Wax has done so much to help people. She's factual, honest and funny. Refreshing change.

hello Just me and you

Well, I was really moved by this programme - esp the woman with OCD, when she explained that she was abused as a child and thought she would never feel clean again . It was great to see Mark Williams and the mention of his 'Mindfulness' meditation programme. I am using it at the moment for my anxiety and it is really helpful.

I watched it and thought it was really good. I've got the Mindfullness for beginners CDs as well. Some lovely chap on the CT got them for me.

I could really relate to a lot of what she was saying, particularly when she was showing how she was shaking when she tried to get a drink of water as that was me a month or so ago.

The more positive stuff like this the better IMO.

Great to hear you two are finding help I'll see if that CD will be any good for my niece? She has depression though so not sure?

a great one depending on the cause of the depression is to listen to \natalie Dekel on you tube, she has some very self affirming guided meditations, stripping off all of the day to day shit and realising that here, now, in this space you are an awesome part of the functioning of everything.

have over egged that a bit but they are fantastic!!

also with regard to mindfulness this guy is brilliant

Thanks for that she's visiting me tomorrow I'll show her. She has 3 children, one of which is a toddler so not sure if she'll find time to meditate? I do and find it amazing. The guided 'meditations' are really visualisation as they get you to visualise whereas meditation is just you, relaxing and using your imagination. I can be totally zonked with just 10 minutes of this

I'll certainly suggest it to her though. I just wish I could help her but I know from experience it's down to herself and her dr. We can support and listen.

Support and listening can go a very, very, very long way, don't underestimate it

I haven't heard of mindfulness, I will look it up.

Yes it does help as long as people aren't too intrusive. I just go at her pace.

I missed it but will watch again on 4 od - I have long standing OCD so will be very interested in tonight's programme - I'd also like to say that Mindfulness is excellent- I did an eight week Mindfulness based stress relief course coming up to 2 years ago and have been practising meditation ever since- has helped a lot. Jon Kabat-Zinn is totally wonderful. Also Thich Naht Than - a Zen master - my mindfulness teacher followed his teachings and I went to several of her zen based meditation days.

Sounds fantastic MAS. Glad it's helped.

it's certainly helped I think,along with some anti-depressants (which I was very resistent to taking at first,but extremely grateful for now !) Being calmer just makes things a little easier !

Curious, yes Patient led gentle support/listening. Some people can do the whole "I need to do some rescuing" not entirely innocent of that myself in certain instances but am aware that I need to step back when that happens You have said that it is ultimately down to her, it is. Understanding that you and your family are not alone and knowing what could/couldn't be useful, I hope, helps you to help her help herself

Maybe too many helps

You sound very sensible resists saying helpful

Yes we're a pretty close family when the going gets tough. And I'm happy to be helpful

I'm on citalopram for panic disorder so it helps me to relate. I've tried coming off them but end up back on them. I feel it's some sort of biological imbalance with me though? Seems to have no trigger?

I have trigger based mh problems. There is a difference in techniques used for the different types of mh. Using techniques for chemical based mh on people with trigger based mh can be damaging. It's good to discuss it all so people know which help to get.

You sound very proactive in your own wellbeing which, hopefully, will help your Dn. Do you know if hers is chemical based or trigger based? There are distinct differences but she may not know at present.

No I don't know? How will she find out?

Sorry, didn't mean to worry you. The basic are the same, medication and talking therapies. It's things like CBT which differ.

She'll find out if there is not direct trauma she has suffered ie rape, natural disaster, abuse etc.

If her life has not had significant trauma, it's chemical based. Although people who have had trauma can have chemical based mhi too. It's a minefield.

Don't panic, the basics are the same, it's the indepth that differs. Knowing that there are different ways to go is good.

No you didn't worry me

I don't think she's had really bad trauma although her dad was an alcoholic and that was hard to deal with. He was a good dad though and they were very close. He fell over once too often and died

There are lots of addictive personalities in my family. Some are young alcoholics. Also lots of autism with anxiety related to it. Genes must play a huge part I think?

Possibly/probably, I don't know enough about it.

for all of you, that's a lot to be dealing with. She could have chemical based mh problems but also have trauma mh problems. I am highly speculating t'is t'internet but she could need grief councelling alonside treatment for a chemical disorder, iyswim.

That's why patient led care helps and hopefully the right treatment is made available.

I honestly don't know much about chemical mh problems.