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Dealing with 13yo DD's bad behaviour

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asktheaudience · 22/06/2010 09:35

DD is in year 8. She used to be pleasant and charming. But since the end of last year it has all gone wrong.

She is capable at school but has had a terrible year. Her report makes painful reading.

She has NO self control and helps herself to anything she fancies without bothering to ask for permission, often food (she has a terrible sweet tooth) but also money, my phone when she can't find hers, etc.

She is deceitful and lies constantly. It's hard to believe believe anything she says some days.

She very rarely acknowledges her mistakes and misbehaviour and only usually apologises when she wants something.

Her manners can be appalling, she can be really rude when rattled and says some awful things to me and DH.

And when we dish out a punishment she gets uncontrollably angry and does really stupid things, like dumping the entire contents of the linen cupboard on the floor, smearing lotions on her dressing table (or mine) or not coming home from school until after dark.

The most agonising thing is that she can still be lovely, fun and good company. But the minute things don't go her way she reverts to this sort of behaviour. It's soul destroying and nothing we do seems to make any long-term difference. Something needs to change, but I don't know what.

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cory · 24/06/2010 12:18

I know it's hard but think it will help if you try to discern very clearly between "annoying" and "unacceptable", not least when you speak to her. If she gets the feeling that all behaviours that remind you of the worst are equally bad, then she may start feeling she might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb. If a Jaffa cake gets as big a reaction as a tenner, then she might as well have the tenner iyswim.

asktheaudience · 24/06/2010 12:48

Indeed. I need to be more selective with my exasperation.

Thank you.

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Punkatheart · 09/07/2010 00:13

I have come very late to this discussion but as I was reading your first post, asktheaudience, I was nodding about everything. My daughter is 13 and I can only say that she has become truly horrible. I have cancer and I am frequently ill - have had lots of treatments...but she is extremely callous and continues with appalling behaviour. She shouts a lot, yes - helps herself to everything and lies as if she was born to it. I was sitting here tonight wondering where on earth can I go with this problem...

Can't give any answers really but it makes me feel quite despairing at times...and worried for her. It's the anger I think is the worst thing.....

cory · 09/07/2010 09:33

Punk, I think you should get your dd counselling. If you have cancer, then her anger is very natural and she needs to have a safe place where she can find an outlet for this without hurting you. It may take a long time- a friend of mine had cancer and her dcs needed counselling for years to deal with their anger. Does the school have anything to offer? I would ring them today.

SuzieHomemaker · 09/07/2010 15:23

Punk, I have read a few times that teens cant easily distinguish between anger and fear. Sometimes they react angrily to fear in others because their brains see your fear as anger. I think they also dont understand their own fear and express it as anger.

Punkatheart · 10/07/2010 00:27

Interesting points. The problem with counselling is that you can't force a child to go and she has refused. I will try and keep patient but it does help to hear other stories and intelligent, informed opinion. Thank you.

hopeless1 · 10/07/2010 18:54

Do you know how pleased I was to read this article, as I to have a 13 year old daughter who is exactly the same, but her anger moods result in the house being the victim, holes in the wall and door. Unfortunately she is coming up to 14 but started her periods just after her 12th birthday. We have had an awful 18 months at school, in fact she has been on special report in school the majority of the year but no improvement. She has been grounded, pocket money taken away but nothing makes any difference, she is verbally abusive and like yours thinks she has a god given right to take anything she wants in the home and not consider any other members of the family. Usually the sweet stuff and money. This week she truanted for 2 periods at school and as a punishment she has been grounded this weekend and without the computer as her saviour, needless to say we are having an awful weekend. She thinks we are being unfair!! what really annoys me is that she continues to have answer for everything and carries on, Hope it gets better soon.

Punkatheart · 13/07/2010 13:40

Hopeless - we should start a club: The 13 year old Monsters Inc perhaps. Let's please keep posting here with any progress (or not). The school thing is a worry and I have the same thing...we are currently looking for another school because we feel that things have been so spoiled at this one.

Let's believe that it will get better......I am sorry that you are going through this too. It has got to the point when I see people with small (sweet) children, I sometimes burst into tears. Silly I know but it just reminds me too much what she was like.....

hopeless1 · 13/07/2010 19:42

Punkatheart

Oh my what an awful weekend we have had. DD was grounded because she truanted during the week, this as you can imagine did not go down well, she kept stating she would walk out of the house, we threatened her with confiscation of electrical items in her room and phone (precious lovely phone), Saturday she stayed in, Sunday she pushed it, and went off, husband took all power leads off the electrical items with words of "if you behave all week you can choose to have one power lead back, however if you misbehave once, the phone is confiscated, needless to say when I returned home last night she had smashed the kitchen window to get in despite taking one of my house keys, she said it did not work. (like I would have a non working house key on my car keys). she had gone out so had to ring to see if it was her, she admitted to this with lots of foul abusive words, came in after 10.00 pm when she knows she has to be in at 8.30. Today she truanted from school and I was advised to call the police because she had gone to meet someone. Police informed, had to take a day off work. Tonight she did not come home and when she did started an argument and called Social Services. Nightmare !!!

Punkatheart · 14/07/2010 22:50

It really does sound an awful situation. Is there any chance of bringing in a mediator of some description? A psychologist or even a family member she respects? I have today taken my first steps about talking to a counsellor, after having some really bad news that I may have to eventually have a bone marrow transplant. I cannot go on like this and like you, need to regain some control of the situation. We need outside help you and I.

Let me know how you go...

Snowdropbooks · 15/07/2010 19:59

Ask her to write a set of rules for each age that would be reasonable going forward, this way at least you can have a conversation about her and your expectations regarding living together.
For example

House rules for 9 year olds

House rules for 12 year olds

House rules for 15 year olds

House rules for 18 year olds

Good luck

judytzuke · 18/07/2010 14:34

Sorry you are all having such a hard time, but glad to read this thread as my DS (13) is judt horrible such a lot of the time. Any time things don't go his way he shouts throws stuff, breaks household items on purpose (a badminton racket, a lamp, two doors pulled off their hinges). Takes money and food without asking. Has just had major tantrum because i won't give him monet to go to shop to buy crisps - there is roast chicken ready for our lunch. He hit me over the head with a cushion really hard when said I wouldn't take him to football til he calmed down. I feel like world's most useless mother -i have a really responsible professional job and I can't control a 13 year old! he's a bright boy but is often on report at schoo too.

judytzuke · 18/07/2010 14:35

Sorry rubbish spelling as feeling quite shaky and upset.

mfrances · 19/07/2010 12:17

Hello all,
I recognise so many of these descriptions, and spend most of the time at the moment feeling very worried about our 12 (very nearly 13) daughter. She is incredibly rude much of the time, holes herself in her bedroom for long periods of time and is angry if we try to talk to her in her bedroom. She also goes out to the park and to friends for long periods of time at the moment, and constantly asks to stay longer at places. She is nearly always late back home, and although we have threatened to ground her, and on one occasion did (when she behaved outrageously), it only had a short term effect.We are really worried about older boys being in the picture, and although we have discussed this with her, and she denies any inappropriate attention, we strongly suspect that something is going on.We've had some very difficult situations where we've tried to stop her seeing people we think are a bad influence, but we're accused of not trusting her etc...
It often feels like a living nightmare, and I am constantly terrified of finding out that something disastrous has happened...

hopeless1 · 19/07/2010 20:45

Hi all.

Maybe we should start a club. Had the social worker around today and she is working with the FAST team. Interestingly I was at work and him in doors was doing the initial assessment. The atmosphere changed when I walked in the room and I didn't even say anything, she got up and walked upstairs. Now I know I am not and fully admit that I am not a touchy feely and affectionate person but treat her very well, so it would seem that I am the problem, even though it is me that DD comes to when she wants something !! especially money, make up, etc etc. DD spends a lot of time with unsuitable friends but unfortunately the more you try and separate them the more determined they seem to be in hanging around them. It is exceptionally worrying that they may have male friends who are let us say a little older than themselves. We have already been down this route and the Social worker felt that we have no choice but to trust her and hope she has more sense. Fingers crossed. On the plus side, we confiscated her phone last week for 5 days and again last night for 1 day, a slight improvement has been made now she knows that I have no qualms of taking her phone away. Having said that she texted to say she would be in at 8.30 and it is now 8.45 Hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!

clarej100 · 21/07/2010 17:06

That sounds terrible, if you find you are getting to the end of your tether you could always call a helpline for some professional advice? Youngminds is a helpline for behaviour and other problems - 0808 802 5544. Good luck and hope you sort things out soon.

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