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ok weird EMA question

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2shoes · 20/03/2009 21:47

seems that the punishment for misbehaving at college is to loose a couple of weeks ema.
ok no probs you do the crime you do the time.
but how do they punish someone who doesn't get EMA?

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2shoes · 22/03/2009 15:17

riven good post

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muppetgirl · 22/03/2009 15:44

I would have loved ema to help me pay my way through a levels...

I worked a few nights in the week and double shifts at the weekend. During uni I worked as a waitress, chambermaid and barmaid. I was a muscician so the asscociated course costs were very high. No way could my father have given any money, he was busy earning very little and keeping the house we had.

sarah293 · 22/03/2009 17:04

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muppetgirl · 22/03/2009 17:37

I bet your work ethic is great though

KneeDeepInLaundry · 22/03/2009 17:44

I wouldnt stress too much about EMA, if the tories get in they will probably scrap it anyway

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2shoes · 22/03/2009 17:50

can anyone answer my origainal question please
surely it is unfair to treat 2 students differently?
(by the way this is something ds told me, so it made me curious, tried to get him to as about it ....but he's a teen)

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2shoes · 22/03/2009 17:51

I can't see how they would scrap it. they need 16 plus to stay at college or they have to find work for them.

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sarah293 · 22/03/2009 17:55

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KneeDeepInLaundry · 22/03/2009 18:00

I think the point is that by giving one student money and another student none they are already treating them differently.

Riven when I went to college I qualified for a grant which enabled me to buy books and transportation. Has this been scrapped in favour of EMA?

muppetgirl · 22/03/2009 18:00

Totally unbfair to treat 2 students differently in terms of punishment for the same 'offence' as it were.

FIL worked in a local college and hated it due to the students not wanting to be there, not doing the work, not being able to get rid of the disruptive ones, most of them only being there as an alternative to being unemplyed so it keeps the figures down....

Friend says the same.

muppetgirl · 22/03/2009 18:04

I got nothing for college and a grant for uni but that didn't cover the rent on the room I had let alone music, repairs to my cello, travel on the underground etc. I did get one student loan and lent that to my dad as he was so strapped.

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juuule · 22/03/2009 18:18

"FIL worked in a local college and hated it due to the students not wanting to be there,"

Can't see that getting any better with the leaving age for compulsory education being raised to 18.

muppetgirl · 22/03/2009 18:22

totally agree juuule

StealthPolarBear · 22/03/2009 18:37

But they are already choosing to favourably treat one student over another, based on family income, fair enough. Surely that comes with T&Cs, not misbehaving being one of them? The others never got it in the first place, so it can't be withdrawn.
I don't see it as unfair, whether it's effective (as Riven points out) is another matter!

BuwchBywiog · 22/03/2009 20:50

I guess as a punishment they could threaten to stop said annoying teen from qualifing, in reality though I think this would be a threat only as they don't want to upset their pass quota or whatever!

If someone knows how to control a room full of mad teens will they please let me know. I can feel my hair greying on a day to day basis. I'm just glad I don't have to teach them!

mumeeee · 23/03/2009 08:30

We are not rich parents and my daughter does not get EMA,

monkeylaine · 26/03/2009 11:33

"surely it is unfair to treat 2 students differently?"

The thing is, EMA is related to course attendance and participation, and if a dependent receiving it did not attend or participate in learning, it is deemed that the money was not needed during that time, because logically speaking no learning took place (which is what the money's all about).
When parents choose to (or in some cases are forced to) use the state to support their children in whatever way, they have to agree to working within a well-needed system.

In terms of someone who can support their own kids, in this case through earning a reasonable wage (and declaring their income!), well they as a consequence are not part of the same system. A parent fully supporting their child can have their own systems in place. I guess one of the things self-supporting parents gain over those who rely on the state is 'control' and choice - in many areas of life. Although I agree, who really has such money to hand out to their kids.

I'd expect that if your child is not participating in or attending a course, you would consider whether you should ask for the money you handed out for this to be returned or owed to you.
I would expect most parents supporting their children in education without the state's help, would not just sit back and ignore it if their kids were simply not bothering. If that was the case though, well that isn't fair either, because, their kids are not being given good guidance or support, and I really do feel youngsters need this and not just money. Something they'll appreciate later on in life; at least the state attempts to motivate children to take part. I think the unfairness is more related to kids from parents who are on incomes that mean they get no state support, but are only just about managing (like me!). But logically speaking, even that's fine, if I gave £30 to my child for attending a course and participating, and he/she didn't, I'd want it back. If I gave nothing, there's no impact. It's not actually about punishment, it's about not giving something for nothing.

If you look at all other areas in peoples' lives, you could compare those and say they're unfair too.

I've no idea if this helps at all!

2shoes · 26/03/2009 11:41

monkeylaine thanks
I sort of forgot about the fact that non EMA young people would have still got a letter sent home, so am sure they got a lot of trouble.
Thanks for explaining it so I undestood.

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Milliways · 26/03/2009 17:06

Nametaken: My DH gets only £60pw JSA and I work part-time, but DD cannot EMA as we earned too much last year. Even when we were earning too much we couldn't afford to give her the amount her frinds were getting - who spent it all on driving lessons & going out.

Her best friend lives with her Mum on benefits so gets EMA etc, whilst her Dad is loaded and gives her loads of pocket money as well.

Totally unfair system.

2shoes · 26/03/2009 17:20

you could say the same about child benefit

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happilyconfused · 27/03/2009 22:03

At my former college they still got the ema if they turned up 5 mins to the end because technically they were there. It was also okay to be signed 'off' for a wide variety of appointments including driving lessons.

It is a system that is abused and the students know what they can get away with.

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