Reasonable bedtime for 15 year old

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Back to school, and that age-old bedtime fight.

DD is 15; does loads of sport; doing 9 gcses; school day is 8.15am - 5.30pm and Saturday 8.15 - 1 with sport afterwards. Gets up at 7.15am.

One week back at school and she is knackered - blaming it on the sport after a summer of slacking and inactivity but I know damn well she isn't getting enough sleep either.

What time do you think she should go to bed?

My DS (14) does quite a bit of sport. No tech and lights out at 10.30 to get up at 7am. Doesn't lie in much at weekends either, even if he has a late night. As soon as he is awake he is up! He feels like sleep is a waste of time!

My DD is 15 and goes to bed between 9:30-10:00pm depending on how she feels.
Her weeks are very crammed and she does dance most days and I don't stop her as she loves it.

School mornings:
•wake up at 6:00am
•leave house at 7:40am
•get the bus at 7:47am (takes less than 5mins to get to bus stop)
•start school at 8:30am
•finishes school at 2:50pm
•gets home around 3:20-3:30pm

Dance:
•Monday - 7:45-8:45pm
•Tuesday - 5:15-6:15pm
•Wednesday- 4:15-8:00pm with a 45min break from 6:15-7:00pm
•Friday - when she is doing rehearsals for competition:
~duet - 5:30-6:00pm
~group - 6:00-8:00pm
•Saturday - she helps out with the younger children from 9:00am-1:45pm but does street class at 10:00-11:00am

So Sunday's and Thursdays are her only free days but usually on a Friday she doesn't have dance but at the moment she has rehearsals for a competition so on a Friday usually there's no dance but she volunteers at the local beaver scouts from 6:00-7:30pm

So usually bedtime is between 9:30-10:00pm which I believe is reasonable and she is alright with other wise she would complain.
She is also very good at getting up herself on school days and Saturdays without me waking her up but let's just say Sunday is her rest day, unproductive day and sleep in day but I don't blame her.

Hello beautiful people,
Ok here goes my soon is going to be 17 years old in a few days, he’s got ADHD but is clever for his own gain.
Over the weekend he got a letter from college that he needs to re do and exam after that all hell broke lose!!! Doors are broken banging hard making a scene. I’m literally fed up of his behaviour and each time I speak to him in a calm voice he tells me to get lost and becomes very rude to his younger siblings! Shut up and get lost from the top of his voice is heard even my neighbors are complaining about my son.
Long story cut short do I celebrate his birthday buy him gifts help!!!!!!
I’ve promised my self not to give him any presents 🎁

@sonasona I know he is been rude, but you can't not give him a birthday present you will regret it.
There is another thread holding onto the rope you may find useful.

Please can you link me to that thread as this is my first time x

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/teenagers/3584550-Holding-on-to-the-end-of-the-rope-life-in-the-bunker-with-the-Po-Ts-where-parenting-a-teen-is-having-an-adverse-effect-on-our-mental-health