Conscription fears for teen son

[Hazlenuts2016]

Anyone else with a teenage son getting more and more worried about conscription? Just saw this article and found the language scary. It's as if they want us to accept our sons and daughters dying as a sacrifice worth making! I know politicians wouldn't be talking this way because it would cost them votes, but maybe this is what is being explored. Posted this on another recent thread by the way, but then thought it would be better to start a new one.
https://news.sky.com/story/uks-sons-and-daughters-need-to-be-ready-to-fight-amid-growing-russian-threat-says-head-of-armed-forces-13483860?fbclid=IwdGRjcAOtTyBjbGNrA61PBGV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHkoNStuMIR_04jEkekyh8IWQLQSQ2u3II0v-yEkA24TkmjZQF0fjeZ5art6J_aem_obDX_-el5u0dybYW31A3RQ

We really can’t compare us to Russia and Ukraine
We aren’t anything alike

Russia don’t conscript women because of their outdated views on women ie they belong in the home etc

Ukraine don’t conscript because their birth rates are so low. Far lower than ours and people ( even before the war) don’t tend to move to Ukraine….unlike the draw of the UK. We really won’t have an issue of repopulating our country.

Our Govn are more interested in the Scandinavian( Swedish type ) model. ( mentioned in parliamentary docs )
This is a selective sex and gender neutral model.
It’s not the same as conscription but more key to my point it isn’t selective on sex.

War is predominantly a male pursuit. Most of the leaders pushing for war are men. Most of the people gaining from war are men.
I would not fight for the ideology of men.

@Phialwhy should my son be forced to fight because he is male? He is as against war as you are. He should have no less right to resist having to fight than someone's daughter.

I completely agree. If he doesn't agree with war, he shouldn't have to fight.

I guess if it came to conscription, they would have to say men and women included otherwise there are lots of men saying they are women who will escape the draft. Unless they draft by sex at birth to protect the ones who can actually have babies.

The Supreme Court sorted that out earlier this year.

Most of the people *dying from war are men.

Well, ideally nobody should have to fight, but sometimes you don't have the option of just stepping aside.

Like if you got randomly attacked by a mad person your choices would be to fight, run away, or just stand there doing nothing getting punched in the face. The latter is not a good option IMO.

When we look at Ukraine the situation isn't so dissimilar. They can let Russian soldiers kill and rape their civilians or they can fight. Running away isn't really possible. Complete surrender may well save your life but it's probs not going to work out great for you.

I think it's unlikely we'll be invaded in such a manner in the near future, but national security does rely on the ability to deter those that could otherwise be a threat. If nobody was willing to fight, the whole house of cards would come down pretty quick IMO.

Running away isn't really possible.

Did I hallucinate the mass evacuation of Ukrainian women and children to places like Poland, and the Homes For Ukrainians scheme we had for a while?

No, my son isn’t fighting in a war made by lunatic men
However isnt the point of nato that all countries will step up if one is invaded.
The Russians aren’t going to march through the whole of Europe, get on a boat and suddenly land in the UK for hand to hand combat. The Russian forces has been severely depleted by the Ukraine war they don’t have enough men to take on the whole of Europe as well as the USA.
It will be nuclear, or drone attacks dropping bombs or biologicals. We will do the same

Yes, it worries me. I dont really want my sons being sent to fight in a war that will most likely not end due to battles fought but because leaders decide it will end, just as they decided it will begin.
Especially as it would be a war about things we had no say over and things we dont care about like a race between China and the US to get there first on AI and the materials needed to create it.

I dont want anyone to be conscripted. But if there is i expect both men and women to be conscripted to the war effort based on stuff you they can do. Whether its coding, catering, driving, factory work, nursing, flying, spying etc. Id expect reserved occupations and mothers of young children would be exempt as before.
Realistically, if it came to front line combat it would be mainly boys that passed the physical tests and mainly boys sacrificed.

Wasn’t Northern Ireland exempt from conscription during ww2? I wonder if they’ll do the same now if it happens

I don’t believe this would ever happen, but if it did then no way would my DC be going.

If this did happen just watch how many people will flee.

You are all going to the front. Starmer’ll stop yer benefits if you don’t!

As if they would let him do that.

Why would anyone transition to get out of military service?

I come from a military family and have massively steered my children away from it. They will be called up first and most likely to die and be injured. Fuck that.

That's the polite response really.

When my now 38 year old son was in his teens he wanted to join up. Even got some info through the door he was sent. I forbid him and told him I would chain him to his bed if he even thought about it again!

To get out of military service.

Except that it won't work because the Supreme Court said that sex is biological.

@MeouwKing I pressed new post instead of quoting yours.

get behind increased defence spending and the sacrifices that entails so that we can deter and it doesn’t happen!

you might find this podcast episode useful, OP: https://pca.st/episode/55ce9650-249e-4d04-b30e-4bb6d0b38f13

The "sacrifices" being to other parts of public spending, so it will, as usual, be the poor and the disabled who suffer.

The rich won't be made to pay up and they will be the ones who can afford to leave at the first sign of trouble.

No if it happens it happens. Personally I think we should all be doing some form of national service - military or other.

Yes awful decisions have to be made and it’s not fair. What do you suggest the government do? What choice is there other than to divert public spending even though it’s not fair and nobody wants it and it will bring its own pain? What’s the alternative? It’s the geopolitical reality