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Teenager nasty but only at school

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YouNiftyCrab · 02/12/2025 16:38

My son, youngest of 3 children manages to put on a lovely display of manners and respect in certain situations and is like any normal teenager at home. Yet at school behaves like a football hooligan. Swearing disrespectful, rude and never doing what he should be. I'm unsure on how to address this, several meetings have been held and promises made to be broken the very next day. I fear for the adult he may become. Any advice gratefully received.

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Burntt · 02/12/2025 21:05

Have you asked him why he’s so different?
have you observed him with his school friends on other environments to see if it’s the setting or the people?
have you followed up being called into school with consequences in the home? Significant enough to give him pause next time he wants to act out at school?

it could be something is bothering him and you can address it. It could be he’s trying to impress and you can correct with home consequences.

I’m very bias because my brother is an evil selfish man- however my mother would describe him the same as you have your son- he could do no wrong at home normal teen as you refer to yours yet he was a nasty bully to his younger siblings my experience of him at home didn’t math h our parents.. He had an inflated ego due to how my mother treated him. Broke a window at school amoung other things and I remember he got no consequences for these things just my mother pondering why he’s so different at school he’s never like this at home. It really could be my mother writing this post. He’s a successful adult if you count income and a family as successful but he’s still a selfish horrible bully of a man, pulls out that charm with our mother to get her money and childcare and treats anyone who doesn’t help him like they are beneath him. I won’t have anything to do with him. Unlikely you are in fact raising a child that way but I find it telling you haven’t mentioned consequences you have put in at home, and you are coming at this from a you worry for his future approach not that you worry for those he wrongs along the way- honestly I may be way off base you just sound like my mother who created a monster by not seeing the pattern was he behaved to get something (like not being grounded etc when home but school had no power because mum would say well he is fine at home).

Dollymylove · 02/12/2025 21:16

Probably showing off to his mates

YouNiftyCrab · 02/12/2025 21:35

He does have consequences at home (grounding, no money, no computer etc) and we always fully support what sanctions the school put in place. School have said he gets carried away with friends egging him on, goes to far then can’t bring it back. They say when they talk to him 1-1 he’s very respectful and polite. I’m not blaming the friends as he is responsible for his own behaviour. He’s great with his siblings, they are all very close and spend a lot of time together. Never in trouble outside of school and although can sometimes be a bit grumpy, we have no issues at home. It’s just the whole school situation, almost like he has an audience so will cause a scene.

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Quitelikeit · 02/12/2025 21:38

I had a similar situation- it was my child doing things to impress another/other kids

I asked that they were seated apart and that did the trick

Consider asking them to move him

anonymoususer9876 · 02/12/2025 21:39

Have you spoken to him about it @YouNiftyCrab? Is he able to pinpoint when he is starting to get carried away? Does he want to change? Or does he prefer the attention from his mates?

YouNiftyCrab · 02/12/2025 21:49

@anonymoususer9876 He struggles to recognise when too far is too far (adhd) if he’s messing around, but the disrespect and rudeness is a chosen behaviour as his first 2 years at secondary school he was very well behaved. It’s almost like Someone has flipped a switch in him and he’s a different person. I’d like to think deep down he himself doesn’t like the way he behaves as always remorseful when spoken to at home or in school meetings but then almost instantly reverts back the next day.

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BertieBotts · 02/12/2025 21:52

Has he ever been screened for ADHD? It's worth checking as the "gets carried away, doesn't seem to know where the line is/can't pull it back when it's gone too far" is a very typical pattern and so is the fact the behaviour doesn't change in response to consequences and/or the child has an extremely genuine seeming will to change which is broken almost immediately, almost like they can't help it or aren't aware of what they are doing. They may also then become very upset/distressed/frustrated about sanctions because it feels unfair to them.

You do need to see difficulties in at least 2 settings though with ADHD, but the difficulties could be different e.g. the hyperactive/disruptive behaviour could happen at school and then he might lose everything and be completely disorganised at home.

The other thing I've heard is when children are highly intelligent they can be bored by school and their mind is going overdrive trying to find stimulation so it can present very similarly to ADHD in that way - but then wouldn't show up so much in other scenarios if he has more freedom to follow his interests there.

BertieBotts · 02/12/2025 21:54

Xposted. So he has a diagnosis - this does sound very ADHD dopamine seeking type behaviour. Medication may help if he is not on any - it might be worth speaking to his doctor.

anonymoususer9876 · 02/12/2025 22:04

YouNiftyCrab · 02/12/2025 21:49

@anonymoususer9876 He struggles to recognise when too far is too far (adhd) if he’s messing around, but the disrespect and rudeness is a chosen behaviour as his first 2 years at secondary school he was very well behaved. It’s almost like Someone has flipped a switch in him and he’s a different person. I’d like to think deep down he himself doesn’t like the way he behaves as always remorseful when spoken to at home or in school meetings but then almost instantly reverts back the next day.

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Is he medicated for his ADHD? Poor impulse control is part of ADHD so worth remembering that he will struggle. I’m also guessing hormones are a big factor. Peer relationships in teen years become hugely important, much more so than family. What support do school provide him? If they know the triggers they could pre-empt some of the behaviour by getting DS to have a brain break or movement break.

If it’s happening at break/lunch/free time then that’ll need different management.

YouNiftyCrab · 02/12/2025 22:09

@BertieBotts Been on the medication waiting list for 2 years now!. The dopamine hit I understand as he likes to constantly physically prod, poke and touch people for a reaction. I would have thought though he would be a pain at home with his insults etc Some of the language and actions towards school staff is appalling and with it only being a recent thing, was thinking it was more a behaviour choice.

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ThisOneToo · 02/12/2025 22:22

If your son's school is anything like the one my DCs go to naughty kids=popular kids so there might be positive results to him socially speaking from being rude and disrespectful at school but not at home which might explain some of it.

BertieBotts · 02/12/2025 23:58

IME with my DC particularly DS2 who can be disruptive at school, it's almost like there is an imp on his shoulder whispering what to do into his ear, and the imp does not particularly care for rules or decency but is instead motivated by what will get the most exciting reaction from a grown up. There are some lines he won't cross e.g. he is not generally violent unless he goes into a state of extreme distress, and he doesn't break things. When he is in a dysregulated or escalated state it's like he cannot ignore the imp and finds its suggestions irresistably hilarious - in fact this is almost verbatim how he describes it except he calls it "my brain".

So far (touch wood) he does not swear although he was getting into trouble for this at Kindergarten - we are abroad so Kindergarten is until roughly 6/7. In that case it was in the local language so it wasn't anything he was hearing at home, he heard the language (very mild swearing) used by other children, some his age, some slightly older (7-9 ish) out of earshot of adults, and he initially had no sense to filter it, whether this was because we don't use that language at home so they didn't feel automatically taboo to him and we didn't actually know the words so didn't realise to correct him if we heard them. (OTOH the Kindergarten staff would completely ignore "fuck you" in English, which drove me bonkers but he has forgotten about it luckily). The other possibility is that we think he might also be autistic and might genuinely not have realised that people filter their language based on the audience, whereas other children his age absolutely were doing that. And added to this there is an aspect of his personality where the entire world is his science lab and he seems to constantly be experimenting and observing and making connections to find out how things work, what the rules are and what happens and having things explained is not enough, he needs to work it out or experience it for himself. This seems almost a crucial drive for him as fundamental as breathing, and it overrides various things including sense of danger or disgust, and desire to please other humans or conform to social expectations, but it means that his behaviour often seems nonsensical in the same way that toddlers' behaviour looks nonsensical but is actually about them working out basic principles of reality such as if you hide something, it still exists and when you throw or drop things, they always go down. He just never seemed to leave that stage of examining the entire world, whereas most children move on to doing this part of knowledge acquisition verbally.

Anyway it seemed the issue with the bad language was that it really did get a big shocked response from adults, but since moving up to school, it has ceased to be an issue, instead he is much more likely to do things like lie on the floor, sing loudly, put on a silly voice, throw anything within grabbing reach, walk out of the classroom or open cupboards, just absolutely anything which will really irritate the teacher or cause them a problem (e.g. they can't just let him wander the corridors). His teacher thinks he is pushing boundaries to see what he can get away with. I think that is part of it, but I also think this imp or this part of him or whatever it is is extremely good at rooting out the exact thing which will provoke the person whose attention he wants the most in that moment. I get different "wind up" behaviours at home than they do at school, and he chooses things which will deliberately antagonise his brother differently to things which will deliberately antagonise me. We can squash a particular specific behaviour by going on and on and on about it or using consequences but it will just pop up as a different one, something completely random and unpredictable but with the same theme. The general "chaos loving imp mode" persists despite everything, and I genuinely think that he struggles to control it. (We are hoping to try medication, probably next week).

I would guess your DS doesn't poke and prod people at school because at school that kind of thing is likely to get you thumped (by the other child) in response or ostracised as "weird" (whereas his family cannot disown him much as they would perhaps sometimes like to Grin) and he is aware enough of social boundaries not to feel comfortable doing it to a teacher. I would also guess you and DH don't swear/insult at home and perhaps older siblings also don't? Or filter it in his hearing. So he doesn't feel comfortable swearing at home, but at school esp past the first couple of years, some pupils use swearing like punctuation and communicate entirely by "banter" (aka slagging each other off) so he probably does feel somewhat more comfortable with it AND it meets that jackpot of really winding up teachers plus gaining him kudos points with his mates so will be hugely tempting to him in those moments when he has the proverbial imp on his shoulder.

So in a way yes it is a choice, but my understanding of it is it's like a choice he may find almost impossible to resist, which might not actually be his fault. I also have ADHD, but mine is inattentive type. I've never been disruptive in my life, in fact I struggle with people pleasing, but I do recognise the thing of finding it incredibly difficult to resist a choice even when I know I won't like the consequences of it either immediately or later - it's just my bad choices are much more likely to be things like staying on MN for hours instead of going to bed, or eating frozen chicken nuggets again and therefore having to throw away expired "ingredients food" because I did not cook them before they went rotten.

YouNiftyCrab · 03/12/2025 06:49

@BertieBotts Thank you for your insight. Yes my son has never being violent or damaged anything either. He’s more of a walk off in anger and everybody leave him alone, then gets verbally nasty when staff follow him he’s also very emotional but can’t cry at school in case his mates see. But now this once angry meltdown behaviour has spilled into everyday behaviour. As a neurotypical person myself it’s often hard to work out what is purely just bad behaviour and what’s possibly an adhd influence. Good luck on your medication journey. We are hoping to be seen soon for this too 🙂

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autumnboys · 03/12/2025 06:53

Ask the school to write a letter to support the medication situation. We have done this at my school if a parent asks.

Wheech · 03/12/2025 06:57

ThisOneToo · 02/12/2025 22:22

If your son's school is anything like the one my DCs go to naughty kids=popular kids so there might be positive results to him socially speaking from being rude and disrespectful at school but not at home which might explain some of it.

I was a bit like your son OP and the above pretty much explains it, along with normal teenage weirdness. I'm not sure anything anyone said or did would have changed things, but it passed with time.

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