Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Teenagers

Parenting teenagers has its ups and downs. Get advice from Mumsnetters here.

12 year old and inappropriate websearch

16 replies

Duckduckquack1 · 29/09/2024 22:10

My 12 year old (near 13) is my first child so this is all very new territory to me.
He has had a phone for about a year and is in Year 8. He also has a computer in his room for homework and game use only. It has parental controls and he knows it is checked regularly like his phone. He can also watch Netflix and youtube on the family laptop downstairs. We don't social media at the moment apart from whatsapp. He plays mostly minecraft and similar games.
A few times it's been alerted by the parental controls or by finding it later that he has been trying to get around the controls to look at sexual content. Hes only got as far as frontal female nudity and we fully expect at his age that level of curiosity. We chat quite openly about it and have check ins etc.
Whats concerning me isn't so much that he's found light based nudity, it's that he's seeking it out and it's a chance that he could stumble upon something that is much more graphic.

I feel that completely stopping his computer use etc is too much at this point. But despite the controls, he still managed to see some images without much issue.
We have spoken at length about why it's not appropriate at his age, and the issues with porn/leading into porn, how feelings and masturbation is normal etc etc.
How do I approach this? Remove the computer? Let him just find the images and possibly worse because it's normal? I'm a bit lost to be honest.
Just to add, we haven't made this into a big deal to him, no punishment etc just a chat about it. But it has happened a few times even with the talks and keeping a closer eye.

OP posts:
YourHardyBee · 02/10/2024 00:06

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

candlewhickgreen · 02/10/2024 00:25

You can turn on safeguarding on the WIFI to stop inappropriate images and websites. There are also apps you can download on his phone to block images, websites, social media and other content.

If he uses WhatsApp images and videos can be shared and if he's using chat when gaming that can also be harmful.

YourHardyBee · 02/10/2024 00:26

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

RhaenysRocks · 03/10/2024 07:07

Filters etc are good but in the end it will happen. I took the approach of telling him. A bit about the porn industry, the exploitation, illegality of some and the most important thing that what he is seeing is total fantasy insofar as it relates to real experience. I've told him that people have died after being persuaded to allow themselves to be choked. Depends how far you want to go but given the extremity of what's out there and where you think he's at you have to make a judgement call on that. I also told him about "death grip" and it potentially leading to sexual dysfunction. I'm all for healthy sexual development but what's out there now needs a fairly robust approach.

ThisOldThang · 03/10/2024 07:13

Make sure you password protect the computer's BIOS and disable USB boot. This will prevent him booting a Linux Live USB with custom DNS settings. Kids at school will share this knowledge.

Set your router and PCs to use family safe DNS servers - e.g. OpenDNS.

ThisOldThang · 03/10/2024 07:55

https://support.opendns.com/hc/en-us/articles/228006487-FamilyShield-Router-Configuration-Instructions

Also make sure he's accessing the PC using a child account rather than an admin account. This will prevent him changing the PC's settings and installing software such as VPNs.

SkaterGrrrrl · 03/10/2024 08:00

My son is nearly 12 and I found this book very informative!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/What-About-Men-Caitlin-Moran/dp/1529149150

We have told him to come to us if he see anything upsetting and we monitor his Google searches. No phones in his bedroom at night.

MightyGoldBear · 03/10/2024 08:55

Hello op
I work with porn and sex addicts as well as betrayed partners.
Everyone one of them wished they had an informed parent like you at that age.

Well done on not shaming him. That is so very important.

I'd take the computer out of his room put it in a communal space.
You're going to have to get techy and shut down access on all devices in your home. Playstations nintendo switches phones. Smart TVs can be tricky but most have pins. With phones you can put a parental block completely on then and only by ringing them up will they take it off. You've got some good advice re the techy side so I'll concentrate on the other elements. It's easier to not have full access in the first place than it is taking things away. So things like a VR headset I just wouldn't even get.

Where is his dad in all this? If he is about Is he on board and willing to have all the same blocks on his devices. Typically your son will be learning directly (but not exclusively) from him so he needs to see his dad taking the lead in his own life against pornography and objectifying women. Also displaying healthy coping mechanisms and empathy particularly.

Promoting healthy coping mechanisms is vital. Learning to deal with negative feelings and sitting in the uncomfortable and processing feelings, events,trauma is so very vital.

Talking about loneliness, boredom stress, anxiety and what we do in those moments is key. This is a whole family journey not just him. You will all need to be following healthy coping mechanisms and displaying that. If you feel anxious do you distract look at your phone tv movies playstation or do you do yoga a walk music journal about it talk about physical exercise. A outside of school hobby I would always reccomend particularly group based. It gives the opportunity for friends outside of school if school gets difficult.

Environment plays a big part in how children grow up as they don't have the agency to change their environment themselves. Even given all the skills and counselling in the world unless the environment also changes statistically they are always at a disadvantage and vunerable to things like addiction.

Science and neurology is the way to go. Unfortunately the empathy for women in the porn industry is never the penny drop moment for any (to date) of the boys and men I have counselled. Typically for boys particularly they haven't developed enough empathy if at all in some cases around 12 years old. It just isn't expected or promoted in our society that they greatly need to develop much emotional intelligence at all.
Pornography actually changes the brain. It stunts emotional development. So when I counsel a 64 year old man they haven't developed any empathy at all. They have to learn it. It's a lot harder at that age.

So the route we go down first to peak interest as many don't see the need to change other than trying to save their relationships or not wanting to feel numb anymore. Is all about science of the brain. How it lights up the same as a Brian on cocaine does when watching pornography. How the porn industry is very manipulating how ultimately it takes away your authentic sexual tastes and drive. Motivation for real life and real connections. We talk about dopamine. How dopamine works in the body and where screens can disrupt our natural bodies receptors. How when we watch pornography and masturbate we are creating neural pathways in our brain. More powerful and addictjve than just scrolling social media (and how much do we find ourselves auto piloting doing that! ) add in orgasm and dopamine oxytocin chemicals we are training our brain to bond to pornography. Our brains are very clever but stupid and simple in many ways. It can't tell the difference between sex with pornography or a person. Pornography is designed to be addictive dopamine will chase the new and novel to get the original high of the first time. Therefore you can lead yourself to illegal pornography or pornography outside your authentic sexual arousal template. Just to seek the high.

Real life becomes gray and boring. Its so easy to then access an instant high when feeling bored or lonely. It's very easy to see how habitual porn and masturbation can then turn into addiction very quickly. We talk about the consequences of porn induced erectile dysfunction how the brain then needs to detox completely because the neural pathways have actually been fried.
Pornography actually makes anxiety worse particularly social anxiety lots of shame and stigma is involved. Ironically in our very sexualised culture.

We talk about toxic masculinity and what healthy masculinity looks like. Enthusiastic Consent we talk about.

I have to go to work now but I may be back later to add more.
Well done op this isn't easy stuff at all. But so very very necessary.

I am also raising 3 boys and as shocking as it sounds my husband and I discuss how we are potentially raising 3 porn/sex addicts potential rapists incels abusers ... unless we help them navigate the world.

SkaterGrrrrl · 03/10/2024 08:58

Mighty Gold Bear.... You are doing god's work. Thank you.

Regulus · 03/10/2024 09:06

I agree with @MightyGoldBear and I wish every parent was as proactive as both of you.

Unfortunately he almost certainly has seen hard core pornography, I work in a good senior school and it is endemic. Still do everything you can to prevent access but when talking to him be aware that it is likely he has already accessed/or been shown it.

Duckduckquack1 · 03/10/2024 10:39

Thank you for everyones advice, especially MightyGoldBear. It's very helpful!
The computer in his bedroom has been locked fown further thanks to husbands more know how in tech. We have an app that can indivdually block websites and apps. This can now only allow pre approved websites and Minecraft (alteady have controls in place for that). Streaming services have been moved to family laptop and main tv and they already have the child settings etc. The switch is also linked to the parent app and in the main room. We can check what he sees and searches for. Youtube and SM are banned in the house anyway.
My son isn't massively tech savy yet. What he's managed to do is using wording thats slips through Googles safe search. Example, if you put 'see through' in Google it wont pick it up as inappropriate because its not but it actually comes up with pics of Kayne West and his wife barly wearing anything. It's not hardcore and we've told him the curiosity etc is completely normal. But we are concerned his searches might lead to images or videos that he wasn't actually looking for.
We've sat down and talked about the porn industry, the effects on the brain, deepfake and AI images, easy addiction and just not appropriate for him. We have kept the focus around how it is still nothing to be ashamed of and we all have these curiosities as teens etc etc. He will never be shamed for this and hasn't/won't be getting any punishment for this.

We still feel like this isn't enough and others have even told us this is too extreme and we should let him see it and just explain why porn isnt good so he can make his own choices. I completely understand that as he gets older he will be making his own choices.

Is there anything we are missing? I know we can't protect him forever but while we can, we want to do what's best for him.

OP posts:
Regulus · 03/10/2024 10:44

Biggest risk is his phone on someone else's WiFi, so many have no forms of protection. That and being shown on someone else's device.

Talking with him is the most important bit, making sure he knows that you will listen whatever happens. Also talk about sextortion, unfortunately I've seen several cases where children were targeted.

candlewhickgreen · 03/10/2024 10:49

Duckduckquack1 · 03/10/2024 10:39

Thank you for everyones advice, especially MightyGoldBear. It's very helpful!
The computer in his bedroom has been locked fown further thanks to husbands more know how in tech. We have an app that can indivdually block websites and apps. This can now only allow pre approved websites and Minecraft (alteady have controls in place for that). Streaming services have been moved to family laptop and main tv and they already have the child settings etc. The switch is also linked to the parent app and in the main room. We can check what he sees and searches for. Youtube and SM are banned in the house anyway.
My son isn't massively tech savy yet. What he's managed to do is using wording thats slips through Googles safe search. Example, if you put 'see through' in Google it wont pick it up as inappropriate because its not but it actually comes up with pics of Kayne West and his wife barly wearing anything. It's not hardcore and we've told him the curiosity etc is completely normal. But we are concerned his searches might lead to images or videos that he wasn't actually looking for.
We've sat down and talked about the porn industry, the effects on the brain, deepfake and AI images, easy addiction and just not appropriate for him. We have kept the focus around how it is still nothing to be ashamed of and we all have these curiosities as teens etc etc. He will never be shamed for this and hasn't/won't be getting any punishment for this.

We still feel like this isn't enough and others have even told us this is too extreme and we should let him see it and just explain why porn isnt good so he can make his own choices. I completely understand that as he gets older he will be making his own choices.

Is there anything we are missing? I know we can't protect him forever but while we can, we want to do what's best for him.

We still feel like this isn't enough and others have even told us this is too extreme and we should let him see it and just explain why porn isnt good so he can make his own choices

Please don't listen to neglectful parents who are advising you to let a 12 year old watch porn and make his own choices. We make choices for children as we're adults and it's our job to safeguard them.

nosmartphone · 03/10/2024 11:07

How? My daughter's laptop sends me a weekly report of every single search she has typed in. Honestly at that age I'd be furious. It's not bloody normal to be looking at porn as a child.

Do you walk around naked? I think that actually helps. Both of my kids know exactly how a normal woman should look/

I don't think porn is healthy for adults. It's definitely not good for young children to look at.

You need to get tougher in my opinion. My two don't have smartphones. That helps enormously as other children can't send them links or photos to look at. Trust me, that's probably mainly where he's seeing it, from other kids. You sound quite wishy washy to me and kids I know with parents like that are the worst for things like this.

Duckduckquack1 · 03/10/2024 11:31

nosmartphone · 03/10/2024 11:07

How? My daughter's laptop sends me a weekly report of every single search she has typed in. Honestly at that age I'd be furious. It's not bloody normal to be looking at porn as a child.

Do you walk around naked? I think that actually helps. Both of my kids know exactly how a normal woman should look/

I don't think porn is healthy for adults. It's definitely not good for young children to look at.

You need to get tougher in my opinion. My two don't have smartphones. That helps enormously as other children can't send them links or photos to look at. Trust me, that's probably mainly where he's seeing it, from other kids. You sound quite wishy washy to me and kids I know with parents like that are the worst for things like this.

I get daily reports. I've already explained how it slipped through. He didn't search obvious things that would flag. It was terms that got through because they weren't inappropriate alone. This has now been tightened.
He has a smart phone but its a limited one with only pre approved apps allowed. I have no concern over the smart phone.
Hes not managed to view porn. The stuff is is no worse than titanic scenes (which is a 12 rating) etc .
If he had been trying to view hardcore porn or massively terrible searches, there would have been further chats and more would have had been to prevent it happening.
I don't walk around naked. It's my personal choice not to and thats my private views for myself. I was SA as a child so I have never felt comfortable being naked around anyone other than my husband and children when they were very young.
I don't believe I am being 'wishy washy'. This is the first time is has happened and I think I have been able to act and respond well. I wouldn't be posting on here if I was.

OP posts:
Duckduckquack1 · 03/10/2024 12:03

And being furious with them in the first instance, especially for something like he's seen (again think titanic scenes) is hardly a great response. My son looked so ashsamed and guilty when we sat down with him calmly and he realised that we knew. Him crying and apologising for searching showed me that my choice to be calm and factual was correct. I'm never going to shame my son into thinking that his attraction and curiosity of the human body and response to hormones (he's 13 in a few weeks and voice is already beginning to break) is something bad. That would only lead to him growing up associating desire, curiosity, attraction etc to something that's bad and shameful. The damage that can do to future relationship is terrible.
That's not to say that we haven't taken this lightly or that we never had any parent controls to begin with. He now has a greater understanding of thr effects of porn and understands that things will be monitored more tightly. Everything the children go on has restrictions for their age. These web searches are something that slipped through and otherwise good system. I'm actually glad it happened like this before anything worse slipped through.

OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page