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28 replies

Clio902 · 26/08/2024 18:45

I know everyone says it’s normal and that their hormones are all over the place but I just don't know how to deal with my DD's attitude and behaviour. She is 12 (soon to be 13) and started her periods early at the age of 9. She dealt with it amazingly and took it all in her stride.

Up until around 3 months ago she was pleasant, chatty, open and outgoing. She always enjoyed school and was bright and enthusiastic. She had some issues with her friendship group at school not long before they broke up for the summer holidays (they seem to pick on a different person every week) and she grew apart from them and became friendly with a group of boys and girls from 2 other schools in the area.

Not long after this, she became rude and antisocial, seemed to have lost all her manners towards us and bites back at everyone when they dare speak to her or go in to her room, shouting at them to get out. She even bunked off school one afternoon with two of these new friends which is totally out of character for her! I’ve tried various ways of speaking to her and asking if there is something wrong/bothering her and she just snaps and says she doesn’t want to talk.

During the holidays she would make plans with friends most days and promised to be back by agreed times, keep in touch, let us know where she was etc however on more than one occasion abused this. She was then grounded and had her phone and bus pass confiscated but then things seemed to take a positive turn - keeping in touch when out with friends, back before/on time, seemed back to her normal chatty self etc. She was also asking for more money more regularly (for juice, food etc when out) to the point here I’ve had to refuse any more as it turns out she’s been buying food etc for some of her friends who have gone out but not been given money by their parents.

Some of the friends in the group have been vaping and drinking and DD has admitted to trying this, mostly as a way of keeping up with everyone else. I have been very open with her on the dangers of both of these and have reminded her that as her mum, it’s my job to make sure that she’s safe. She seemed to take this on board, said she knew it was wrong and was very apologetic and said that she wouldn’t do it again. It’s also transpired that one of her so called friends set one of her new Crocs on fire which has really hacked me off as they were just bought a few weeks ago and it’s like they have zero respect for others property.

School started back and she has been a nightmare to get up and ready for the bus. She literally drags herself out of bed, snipping at us for checking she is up and getting dressed etc so she isn’t late. We live 10 miles from the school and there have been days when my DH has had to take her in as she’s been too late for the bus and he doesn’t get a single thanks from her. If we ask her how her day was she just grunts and then mucks about on her phone. This is so far from the girl she was a few months back who was up at 6.30 am, showered, hair done, dressed and had breakfast before her brother was even out of bed..

To make matters worse she’s had a lot of bother from a girl at school again since they started back (part of the original friendship group who caused trouble) and has threatened to beat her up at school. She has been avoiding going to school and we’ve had calls home saying she’s unwell and can she be collected. We met with the school who have put a safety plan in place to ensure this girl stays away from her but she is still unhappy. I know that she’s anxious and I’ve tried to reassure her the teachers are there to support her if she is concerned.

How do I deal with this? I love her to bits but it seems the more I try, the more she tries to push me away. We used to be so close and now it’s like she can’t bear to be around me or anyone in the family. Her poor brother who is 17 has also tried numerous times to speak to her about things but she just snaps at him.

I'm really worried that she won’t change and this is not just a phase. She used to be such a lovely child who did as she was told and was genuinely just great to be around but now it’s like chalk and cheese….

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Clio902 · 30/08/2024 14:07

Update - school have been in touch a number of times this week about her lack of engagement and general behaviour. Her guidance teacher called and spoke to me earlier and advised that her relationships with some of the teachers are going downhill. She and I had a long talk last night (she seemed the chattiest she’s been in a while) and she confided that she did not feel listened to at school. She said things have happened and she’s been blamed and she’s tried to explain her side but that no one listens. She has agreed to speak to the counsellor at school and I’m hoping this will help the situation.

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PolaroidPrincess · 30/08/2024 15:01

I'm sorry that sounds really tough. I've not had to deal with bullying and drinking at such a young age but hopefully someone will be along soon who can help. With that huge shift in behaviour are you absolutely sure that there aren't any drugs involved as well as alcohol?

Clio902 · 30/08/2024 15:52

Thank you for replying. It’s so difficult, I never thought I’d ever find myself in this kind of position. I am praying there isn’t anything more than alcohol, which is bad enough especially at that age. We have spoken to her at length previously about the dangers of things like drugs etc and have reminded her several times recently. I just feel so lost 😞

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lifesrichpageant · 31/08/2024 05:48

OP just a handhold. These changes seem to happen so quickly, don't they. And the anxiety is just constant. Buckle up and hang on to yourself, your health, your values, and your sanity. Take the good moments when you can. Keep communication open. Keep posting on MN!

Octavia64 · 31/08/2024 06:50

My advice;

She sounds lost.

Stop "speaking to her" about the dangers of X or Y. Most teens just hear these as lectures and they go in one ear and out of the other.

She won't pay any attention to your lectures (as you have discovered).

You do need to listen to her. If she says she is anxious then she probably is. Try getting her counselling. The most important thing is getting her someone she feels she can open up to, so you may need to try quite a few before you get that.

If she has got in with a bad crowd then as far as possible keep her away from them without letting her know what you are doing,
Keep her busy - family things, weekends away, does she have any hobbies? If not help her try some out or do some together.

sashh · 31/08/2024 07:11

There is obviously something going on at school.

How often do you listen to her?

She needs to know she is safe with you. If she is drinking then she needs to know she can tell you. I think all teens should have a 'get out of prison free card', just the one. A card (obviously not a real one) that if they are ever in danger, are drunk, are drugged up or anything else they have the one chance to call you and you will get them home / to hospital / some place safe with no negative consequences.

ineedtogwtoutbeforeitatoohot · 31/08/2024 07:20

I would be doing all I could to keep her away from the drinking friends tbh. If that meant doing things with her at the weekend that's what I'd do She really needs you now. Make plans for the week and spend proper time with her. Build her self esteem and confidence and surround her with as many good role models and influences as you can. Sit down together and make a list of things to do I would be keeping her with me for sure.

Clio902 · 02/09/2024 17:30

Thank you for all the responses, I really appreciate it.

We speak daily about things going at school, friends etc and I make a point of listening to all she has to say without being judgmental. The school have suggested she engages with the school counsellor and she has agreed to this which will
hopefully start this week. I have always encouraged both DD and her brother to talk openly about things, whether they think they are good, bad or anywhere in between. They know they can confide in me and do regularly.

She spoke to me at length about being disappointed in the school not ensuring the safety plan was in place as she was put in a double period with the girl that has been harassing her and was made to work in a group with her. We have since discussed this with the guidance teacher who apologised for this oversight. She was also having items thrown at her by a boy in her English class and when she asked him to stop, she was the one who was told off. When trying to explain the situation, the teacher told her she was being rude. She has since taken a major disliking to this teacher.

She was due to have detention today at lunchtime for missing part of a class last week (she was looking for the guidance teacher who had said she could come to see her at anytime) however did not go. I’ve been informed by the school that she also skipped period 5 today and was with a group of pupils in the year above who set off the school fire alarm. They were spotted on cctv and although
she wasn’t directly involved, she was with
them and not in class. This will now be investigated and I am worried that she will now be pulled into yet more trouble…

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ALovelyCupOfNameChange · 02/09/2024 17:34

Is she on her phone a lot at night is that why she’s struggling to get up?
does she have any hobbies?

it’s hard when they flip, you can’t nip it in the bud when it slides so fast

Clio902 · 02/09/2024 18:40

Her phone is on charge overnight in our room. She’s just turned in to a nightmare to get up in the morning. She was doing netball twice a week however has now given that up, mostly because the same girl giving her bother at school goes to the same club. Tried getting her to go for a nice long walk at the weekend to blow the cobwebs away but she wasn’t up for it. Also tried getting her to watch a movie with me but she said she wanted time to herself. I’m trying but getting nowhere fast..

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ALovelyCupOfNameChange · 02/09/2024 20:03

Clio902 · 02/09/2024 18:40

Her phone is on charge overnight in our room. She’s just turned in to a nightmare to get up in the morning. She was doing netball twice a week however has now given that up, mostly because the same girl giving her bother at school goes to the same club. Tried getting her to go for a nice long walk at the weekend to blow the cobwebs away but she wasn’t up for it. Also tried getting her to watch a movie with me but she said she wanted time to herself. I’m trying but getting nowhere fast..

Have you had a look through her phone? I know it’s controversial. Sudden change in personality always makes me nervous

Clio902 · 03/09/2024 11:42

Yes, I was reluctant to check her phone but due to the change in her behaviour, I felt I had to. All I could see were the usual Snapchat messages backwards and forwards to friends, some texts and lots of photos of her and friends at the beach or various places they hang out…

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ALovelyCupOfNameChange · 03/09/2024 13:32

No hidden discord / WhatsApp chats or anything? Did you check recently deleted stuff?

ALovelyCupOfNameChange · 03/09/2024 13:34

So she’s year 8 going into year 9?
it is a really really tricky couple of years for girls for some reason. They seem to have all sorts of friendship changes and struggle settling down into finding their people

Clio902 · 03/09/2024 13:53

No hidden WhatsApp chats etc that I could see… I don’t think she has Discord on her phone. Any apps she requests I have to approve via the family sharing settings, even if free etc. I didn’t check recently deleted but will check again to make 100% sure there isn’t anything there.

Yes she’s just gone in to S2 (I think that’s year 9?). She is young for her year (second youngest) and most of the kids in the year have been 13 for a while and will be 14 by the time she turns 13. She just seems to anti everything just now. School are frustrated as they know she is not normally like this but to be honest they haven’t helped the situation massively by not sticking by what they said they’d do to help so she’s lost trust in them.

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stayathomer · 03/09/2024 14:38

No help really but good she talks to you- do you ever just sit with her watching tv, can you bribe her into family games and fun stuff? It sounds ridiculous but if I can get my teens down with favourite foods or whatever they do sometimes revert to little kids and we just have a fun night. I also watch YouTube or them playing on games consoles. Best of luck op, I hope things get easier- your ‘I never thought I’d be in this position’ resonates with me xxxx

BarbedButterfly · 03/09/2024 14:47

Honestly, have you considered changing schools? She sounds really unhappy and it sounds like the school is failing her

ALovelyCupOfNameChange · 03/09/2024 15:03

BarbedButterfly · 03/09/2024 14:47

Honestly, have you considered changing schools? She sounds really unhappy and it sounds like the school is failing her

I was thinking the same, that said you don’t want to move her to where these new questionable friends are.

does she change teaching support this year? Fresh start for the teacher, get in quick explain how she’s been let down and they need to build her trust back

Clio902 · 04/09/2024 17:22

stayathomer · 03/09/2024 14:38

No help really but good she talks to you- do you ever just sit with her watching tv, can you bribe her into family games and fun stuff? It sounds ridiculous but if I can get my teens down with favourite foods or whatever they do sometimes revert to little kids and we just have a fun night. I also watch YouTube or them playing on games consoles. Best of luck op, I hope things get easier- your ‘I never thought I’d be in this position’ resonates with me xxxx

Yes, we try to sit and watch stuff together - she likes to watch Dance Moms as she loved dancing when she was younger and although she wouldn’t admit it to her friends, still loves watching old cartoons 😊
Thank you, it really is hard and I am finding it difficult at the moment xxx

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Clio902 · 04/09/2024 17:25

ALovelyCupOfNameChange · 03/09/2024 15:03

I was thinking the same, that said you don’t want to move her to where these new questionable friends are.

does she change teaching support this year? Fresh start for the teacher, get in quick explain how she’s been let down and they need to build her trust back

We considered looking into moving schools and still giving it serious thought. They have just gone into their new classes so new teachers for all subjects and she isn’t gelling well with some, I think
just as a result of all that is going on.

I have asked her head of house to call me to discuss further as it turns out she was put in another double PE class with the girl mentioned above AGAIN today despite assurances that would not happen. Actually losing the will with them and can see where most of her frustration lies…

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Clio902 · 10/09/2024 07:54

Further update: DD went in to school as usual yesterday and I was called during her last period by her guidance teacher to say she had skipped classes 2, 5 and 7 and was apparently no longer on the school premises! She came home on the school bus and I tried to speak to her about things but she was upset and said she wanted to talk later. Left it a while to give her a bit of space then went in to speak to her and she said she cant help it, she feels like there’s something wrong with her and she cant do a full day of school anymore. She said she doesn’t know what’s going on and is sorry.

I tried gently asking her what she thinks is causing her to feel that way about school, is it particular classes, teacher(s), classmates etc and she said she doesn’t know.

We now have to meet with guidance teacher and Depute Head on Friday morning for a child planning meeting. I am so out of my depth and don’t know what to do. Has anyone been in this situation?

She seems so unhappy and moody in general but totally fine around her friends…

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blinkbonny · 10/09/2024 20:38

Just a handhold OP because your post tugged at my heart. My DDs had some challenging times but not to this extent. It does sound like she is "lost" as a pp said, but it does sound like you are doing everything you can. It might well be worth considering moving schools - did the crowd she started hanging out with from the other schools have any good friendships for her, or was their behaviour also too concerning?

I hope you get better support soon from the school or in whatever decision you reach.

Clio902 · 11/09/2024 16:16

blinkbonny · 10/09/2024 20:38

Just a handhold OP because your post tugged at my heart. My DDs had some challenging times but not to this extent. It does sound like she is "lost" as a pp said, but it does sound like you are doing everything you can. It might well be worth considering moving schools - did the crowd she started hanging out with from the other schools have any good friendships for her, or was their behaviour also too concerning?

I hope you get better support soon from the school or in whatever decision you reach.

Thank you, I really do appreciate everything everyone has said to me in these posts. It really is a very challenging time.

We will discuss things in more detail re options for potential school move etc once we have met with her school later this week. They asked us to keep her at home today and tomorrow until we meet with them Friday as the skipping classes and leaving the premises is now a safety issue. She had work set on her Chromebook which the school provides for all S1/S2 pupils which she completed earlier, but I had to remind her twice to finish it off.

I spoke with her whilst we sat and had lunch together and she said she understood how serious things were about skipping classes but then a few minutes later asked if I would buy her a hoodie she has been wanting and seemed to then find the whole situation funny. I advised I wouldn’t be buying anything for the time being as I have already spent a considerable amount this month and we also need to get things sorted school wise to which she then replied “I’ll just not go to classes then if you won’t buy me it”.

I am so confused as a lot of the school issues seemed to stem from problems with the friendship group/girl picking on her and now she’s turning things like buying a hoodie into a bargaining tool for attending classes…

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notimetodoit · 11/09/2024 19:59

I know we are always told you are the parent not the friend, but I think you need to be both at the moment (I know you are, you sound fantastic). Both of mine were such lovely fun people as children, my ds had a total breakdown with secondary school and I am only just finding him again now he's been out of school for a year (year 13, level 3 outside of school). My daughter (13) is still so fun and mostly happy but I am watching every day for the change, the last one totally side swiped me. They don't all change so dramatically, but as someone previously said, the ones that do you can't catch it, it's too fast. Mine was a quiet one, I thought it was just teenage eye roll stuff, it wasn't. She will come out the other side, just be right there for her, as you are, it may be ND (was with mine), it may be unbearable bullies because she was/is a sweet one, but just stay by her side. The hoodie thing I would just 'wear it lightly', you were having a chat, she got stroppy because she's 12 and unhappy, I would have said, they're two different things the hoodie and school, we'll maybe see about the hoodie next month. Giggling and not realising you were being serious could be age (she is young/brain totally rewiring) or could be ND (young for age).

notimetodoit · 11/09/2024 20:01

My DS was also leaving school as he literally couldn't cope, and there was no leeway so he just dealt with it himself

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