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Behavioural Issues with SD

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vikki86 · 10/05/2023 14:47

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My stepdaughter is 14 and lives with me and her Dad, we have lived together with two siblings (7 and 16) for the last 2 years.
Over the last 6 months her behaviour at school has been escalating, progressing from general back chat and refusal to go into lessons, to destruction of property, abusive foul language threats and absconding. Until Feb March she had never had a single exclusion and since then she has had 1 or 2 a month minimum.

SD lies, prolifically, her Dad and I seriously don't feel like we can trust a word she says, she plays people off against each other, she complains about being bullied and we are presented with voice notes of her threatening other children. Just last week she swore to me she had attended every lesson and wasn't involved in damage to tables at school, to the point I called to make sure they had the right child, they said they had CCTV, she said she was there but not involved, but now she has tripped herself up saying, "When I was trashing those tables last week"... etc.

When she gets in trouble at school she tries to deflect the issue by saying her dad has been hurting her (he hasn't, in the two years I have lived here I have seen him raise his voice at her once he is a very calm and collected person). She tells anyone who will listen this, so we have been referred to MASH twice in the last 2 months, both times they closed the case.

She has run away from home 3 times in the last few months, and usually returns on her own. She says she wants to live with her birth mum but she wont have her there so her mum says if she doesn't come home to us she will have to go into care, so we are getting the behaviours above.

Yesterday she absconded from school with another girl, I reported it to the police as she has gone missing before recently, and we are waiting on an urgent CAMHS referral. SD went to the shops and was shoplifting, came home and dumped her bags while we were out and went back out, at around 8pm she returned and was verbally abusing our immediate neighbour when asked to move off her front garden, asking if she "wanted a slap" and telling her to "go back inside fatty" with her two friends ganging up on her.

I called the police to update them and she returned home an hour later trying to take her school bag with her (she is on a 1.5 day suspension) and when we looked in her bag it was filled with underwear which looks to be stolen from Primark. We called the police again and asked for an urgent response as she was refusing to come inside threatening to slap her dad and smash his car up etc.

Eventually the police arrived 10 minutes after the girls left, spent an hour speaking to us and searching the house looking for her and searching her room, they then went out to find her (at her friends house) around midnight they came home and basically told us that we need to try and be more understanding to her, and explain how her behaviour is making us feel, We have both tried this and she is indifferent and basically has no empathy whatsoever, she is so absorbed with her anger and rage.

We have an urgent appointment with CAMHS on Monday but just wanted to vent or see if anyone else has had this, we have tried so hard to put boundaries in place, but because there are no boundaries at her mums she wants to be there not here and is making our lives hell. Hubby is worried he is going to end up being beaten up or worse because of the allegations she is making about him.

Most of her anger is directed towards me for "stealing her dad" as she was the only girl in the house before I moved in, but we have clear rules and boundaries and rewards set for all the children to encourage them to go to school and to tidy up etc. I think in the last 6 weeks, she has managed less than 5 days at school. For a child that had 95% attendance last year the difference is massive.

Has anyone else had issues like this? I am worried about the impact this is having not only on the children but her too,

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vikki86 · 10/05/2023 14:50

I forgot to mention I have arranged for her to have 2 courses of counselling over the last 18 months outside of school, 1 in school and we also have regular meetings with the school social worker. In the past before I met hubby the children where on a CIN plan which is how they came to live with dad, and they also have had targeted support, early help, family intervention projects etc.

SD seems to know what to say to make people happy that she is engaging but then does the exact opposite, and when she has a consequence we get the running away, threats and smashing of rooms/cars/walls etc,

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vikki86 · 10/05/2023 14:54

We also have huge issues with hygiene, refusal to bathe, refusing to brush teeth, clean her room, hoards dirty pots, we found chicken bones hidden in a drawer last year. There is also an element of bedwetting and we have to wash her clothes on their own as they often smell of urine.

To our knowledge there are no drugs or alcohol involved, but she has been lying to us about vaping for a very long time.

As a consequence for being excluded she loses internet access for the duration of the exclusion.

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Houseplantmad · 10/05/2023 15:28

I’m no expert but this seems to be a child who is responding to unprocessed trauma experiences as a younger child. Can you organise intensive therapy for her so she can get everything off her chest and begin to process it?

quietnightmare · 10/05/2023 15:30

She is a trouble girl struggling with having you in her life and you stealing her dad (which isn't true just her viewpoint) and moving in your kids with HER dad. Her mum doesn't want her which must be painful for her.

You are doing everything right though. Maybe it's just how she is going to be forever. Or maybe she will come out the other side

Thing is what do you do now? Do you pussy foot around her and let her run wild and make everyone miserable or do you try the tough love route which may work or it may not. It's so difficult to deal with 14 year olds let alone one struggling like this. I don't envy you

Maybe meet in the middle and explain you are there for her but her behaviour needs to change otherwise you will ground her, loose her phone, loose tv privallges?

Does she have an area in the house which is just for her like a place she can hang out in? Bedroom or space downstairs? Could you let her redecorate her bedroom/space for herself? Could you afford a monthly /Weasley allowance for going to school and being respectful, doing chores?
What about a game for the WHILE FANILY like a sweat jar for ANYONE who doesn't tidy up or doesn't listen etc can pop a £1 in but everyone can earn their £1s back with chores and good behaviour?

Could you plan a day out somewhere she would like for 6 weeks time and if she hmbehaves you will all go like to theme park or something?

What about a hobby? Can you get her to go to a hobby?

DeeplyMovingExperience · 10/05/2023 15:48

Gosh, what a nightmare for all of you. I really hope you can find the right support for her and for your family.

I don't want to out myself here, but my situation involved taking the child (teenager) out of school and finding residential help because the situation had gone beyond my capabilities. We needed professional help. There was nothing available on the NHS so it was up to me to be the advocate and find the help we needed.

There are some charities out there who specialise in this kind of thing.

vikki86 · 10/05/2023 15:51

Thank you, yes we have got a chores board, there are three main rules:
Tidy Room = £5 pocket money
Tidy pots = £5 pocket money
A whole week at school = activity (and they can chose to do that together or 1 on 1 with her dad etc).

the 16 year old is her bio sibling, the 7yr old is my child, she has her own room as we don't want her to share with her other sibling because of thier issues etc.

I try to be a bit of a wall for it, I dont argue back, i dont take it personally.

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determinedtomakethiswork · 10/05/2023 15:56

While I would absolutely hate to be in your position and think it must be extremely traumatic for the whole family, the sentence about her mother not wanting her to live with her and saying she'd have to live in care if she didn't live with you really jumped out at me.

LongTermLurker · 10/05/2023 16:05

I'm afraid I don't have any wise words, but it sounds like you're doing your best in an incredibly difficult situation. I agree with PPs: the bit about her mum not wanting her to live with her is really painful to read.

You sound at the end of your tether, angry (understandably!), and quite despairing. I imagine this is how SD is feeling as well.

I guess the task in hand is just to survive this. What tops you up in life? Can you make sure you're getting whatever that is, to tide you through the storm?

quietnightmare · 10/05/2023 16:28

vikki86 · 10/05/2023 15:51

Thank you, yes we have got a chores board, there are three main rules:
Tidy Room = £5 pocket money
Tidy pots = £5 pocket money
A whole week at school = activity (and they can chose to do that together or 1 on 1 with her dad etc).

the 16 year old is her bio sibling, the 7yr old is my child, she has her own room as we don't want her to share with her other sibling because of thier issues etc.

I try to be a bit of a wall for it, I dont argue back, i dont take it personally.

You've done all you can you should be proud of yourself.

What about a family hike? Family game night? Family movie night with snacks?

What about the whole family try and learn an instrument or a language?

Would she be up for cooking? Maybe do a cooking class or see if she's up for cooking once a week? Could even do a family come dine with me and each do a night each with whatever they want to cook?(obviously the youngest will need help)

What about yoga? Or mindfulness? Breathing techniques? There's loads on you tube?

How is her sleep? Would new pjs and bedding and some lever set bath stuff, lavender room spray and pillow spray?

What about a girlie night? Try and get some more bonding going on, Face mask, foot spa( can use a bucket). Would she be up for getting her hair done make her feel better? Even 14 year olds are up for getting their nails done that might be a good option? Even allow acrylics, controversial I know but maybe an option

Maybe a photo shoot with makeover too boost her confidence? You can buy age appropriate ones for her to attend

Hate to say it,,, but what about a pet 😬?

Would she be up for joking the gym? Could do it with you or her dad or sibling? Of getting an excessive bike/treadmill for the house and you could all have a go, maybe even a challenge over the week?

Just trying to think of anything that could potentially boost all your energy's

SiouxsieSiouxStiletto · 10/05/2023 16:45

determinedtomakethiswork · 10/05/2023 15:56

While I would absolutely hate to be in your position and think it must be extremely traumatic for the whole family, the sentence about her mother not wanting her to live with her and saying she'd have to live in care if she didn't live with you really jumped out at me.

That really jumped out at me too. I have a DF who's DM was like this and it messed her up for years. Being rejected by your BM is huge.

I was going to suggest that she may be ND, then you mentioned the hygiene and it sounds even more likely.

I haven't got experience of trauma though so I don't know if it would present in a similar way to a girl with ASD/ADHD.

What adjustments are the school putting in? Have you had any meetings with their SENCO?

QueenSmartypants · 10/05/2023 16:55

Poor girl, she sounds so deeply unhappy. Huge sympathy to all of you, too.

I agree with others that reaction from her mum is screwing her up, but with the sudden decline in behaviour coupled with hygiene issues and bed wetting I was wondering if she's been sexually assaulted or abused and you're unaware of it?

StopMindlesslyScrolling · 10/05/2023 17:02

How does your 7 year old feel about living with all this stress and drama?

Is it affecting them at all?

Has the time come for you and your child to move out to protect them?

SiouxsieSiouxStiletto · 10/05/2023 17:49

QueenSmartypants · 10/05/2023 16:55

Poor girl, she sounds so deeply unhappy. Huge sympathy to all of you, too.

I agree with others that reaction from her mum is screwing her up, but with the sudden decline in behaviour coupled with hygiene issues and bed wetting I was wondering if she's been sexually assaulted or abused and you're unaware of it?

I'd missed the bed wetting. You're right, DC who are being sexually assaulted sometimes neglect their hygiene in a bid to deter the perpetrators.

Fraaahnces · 10/05/2023 17:58

The urine/bed wetting and part of the behavioural issues could also be a result of “balloons” or nitrous oxide cannisters. (The bulbs used for whipped cream or soda siphons). It’s a really common first “party” high. That kids think is different to taking drugs.
Nitrous Oxide Cannisters

This might be something to look for as well

Nitrous oxide - Alcohol and Drug Foundation

Nitrous oxide is a colourless gas that is commonly used for sedation and pain relief, but is also used by people to feel intoxicated or high.

https://adf.org.au/drug-facts/nitrous-oxide/

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