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Military recruiters in schools

85 replies

Nix32 · 16/02/2023 08:43

My year 10 son's school has recently been visited by marine recruiters. They seem to have glamourised the role and it seems to have motivated and inspired him.

It scares me. It's not a route I'd want him to take but I would obviously support him. He hasn't really had a clue what he wants to do - although he's quite money motivated - and is a really bright kid with high grades being forecast.

Will the interest just fade? What should I do?

OP posts:
redbigbananafeet · 25/02/2023 09:42

Why would you not want him to peruse a career in the army?

redbigbananafeet · 25/02/2023 09:49

Perfect28 · 17/02/2023 07:19

I cannot stand how they target teens, especially in deprived areas, and schools allow it.

Yeah it's awful how they try to engage teens without grades to go to uni and few job prospects into a lifelong career which will educate them and show them the world while offering a good salary, pension and opportunity for promotion. Best to get those kids to the job centre or on the dole to keep
the poor poor, right?

nilsoften · 25/02/2023 09:52

George Galloway bested Tobias Ellwood and a retired British army general at a recent Oxford Union debate the other day. I don't agree with much of his politics but he sure is a powerful orator and not even a pacifist to boot. Well worth a watch they don't make them like him anymore.

vera99 · 25/02/2023 10:09

My grandfather, who I never knew died in 1961. My late mother told me he was gassed at the Somme in 1915. When he came back from the war he never talked about it, never went to a rememberance service, never wore a poppy or joined the British Legion. He was a carpenter by trade and suffered blackouts and coughing fits and depression throughout the 1930s and would often wake up screaming in the night. She remembers the National Assitance Board coming round her house as a child , looking in all the cupboards , suggesting furniture they would need to sell before getting any 'handouts'. A country fit for heros ? She introduced me to the poetry of Wilfred Owen

Dulce et Decorum est

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin,

If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,

Obscene as cancer,
Bitter as the cud

Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,–
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

LifeunderMarrs · 25/02/2023 10:14

PaulHeymanHairline · 16/02/2023 08:50

I went to a really bad secondary in a poor area and the military were in a lot! I think they actively recruit those boys from troubled backgrounds, with a fair bit of trauma and chaos. Kids who find the idea of regime and finding a second 'family' appealing. I see the same in the prison system, if you haven't ever had regular meals, routine, predictably, prison can be appealing.

That made me so sad, but it's so true, especially with the prison system.

EssexCat · 25/02/2023 10:22

MadamAndTheAnts · 25/02/2023 06:39

All enabling killing in one way or another.

I’d strongly disagree. And if you’re so anti the military how do you feel about Ukraine defending themselves against Russia. Should they not have had a military and just allowed Russia to walk in and take over?

EssexCat · 25/02/2023 10:24

MadamAndTheAnts · 17/02/2023 14:58

But he may well end up firing a rocket into a car full of cars innocent civilians somewhere in the Middle East though, no? And incinerating them alive.

Plus this is VERY different to ‘indirectly enabling killing’ anyway. You’ve gone for a very tabloid esque turn of phrase.

I’m not sure many physios (for example) fire rockets at any point….

MrWhippersnapper · 25/02/2023 10:47

vera99 · 25/02/2023 10:09

My grandfather, who I never knew died in 1961. My late mother told me he was gassed at the Somme in 1915. When he came back from the war he never talked about it, never went to a rememberance service, never wore a poppy or joined the British Legion. He was a carpenter by trade and suffered blackouts and coughing fits and depression throughout the 1930s and would often wake up screaming in the night. She remembers the National Assitance Board coming round her house as a child , looking in all the cupboards , suggesting furniture they would need to sell before getting any 'handouts'. A country fit for heros ? She introduced me to the poetry of Wilfred Owen

Dulce et Decorum est

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin,

If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,

Obscene as cancer,
Bitter as the cud

Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,–
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Did you not do war poetry at school ?

vera99 · 25/02/2023 11:42

MrWhippersnapper · 25/02/2023 10:47

Did you not do war poetry at school ?

I did I was hugely moved then as I am now and wished societies would major as much on the horror and destruction as the 'glory'. My late dear father worked in Woolwich Arsenal from 1936 onwards and tried to enlist in 1939 but was turned down because of his eyesight. He got his wish in 1940 and served in the Royal Signals in South Africa, Libya,Egypt, Italy and finally Germany. It was a just war in his eyes but he thought dropping the atomic bombs on Japanese cities to be barbaric and saw at first hand the 'terror' fire bombings of Cologne,Hamburg and Dresden which left an indelible mark on his mind. He was lucky the signals set up comms 5 miles behind the front line - so he had a 'good war' but would never forget the haunted faces of the combat troops with which he served when their paths crossed.

LadyFlumpalot · 25/02/2023 16:53

My cousin really struggled in school due to several learning disabilities which weren't recognised, fell in with a bad crowd, got involved with the local gang and spent time in and out of cells.

He joined the marines at 19 and hasn't looked back, he's now an officer, is loving life and thriving. He's a wonderful husband and father. All a life he would have likely never have had if he hadn't joined up. He's never had to go to the front line and is being put through various qualifications to help him walk into a job paying ££££££ when he decides to leave.

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