THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL can a teacher physically obstruct/man handle

[2shoes]

a pupil.
say by blocking the door physically at bell time
or by grabbing said pupil and moving them

I REPEAT THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL

You can put a hand on a child, if you can show that it was reasonable, than no excess force was used.

the usual example would be separating children who are fighting, or removing a child from a dangerous situation.

so can he push pupil out of the way?

This is from the times ed on the use of force

'At a glance: restraining pupils

Teachers can use reasonable force to prevent a pupil potentially harming themselves or another person, damaging property, or disrupting the good order of the school. There is no universal definition of what constitutes reasonable force.'

sorry should have said.. to stop them getting to the door.

i think it would rather depend on the circumstances, the age of the child, the degree of disruption caused etc

I have stood in front of the door to block a child from absconding. Fortunatly the child then backed down

I pulled a child once when he was about to lean backwards into a bunsen flame.

And I had to physically remove a child who was throttling another on the second day of my first job . Was terrified my career was over before it even began. Unnecessarily of course. That was an acceptable restraint.

Ah now MB, a colleague did that to a pupil of hers and was told by his (solicitor) mother that that was unlawful...

Child was absconding from social services, I felt I had a duty of care

Ah.

in my HYPOTHETICAL story. the bell has gone and school is over teacher is insisting that persons stays. teacher says he can stop them by using force.

Your hypothetical example is awfully specific 2shoes

it hasn't happened
teach was talking to some pupils and said he could do this. create a discussion in the 2shoes house.

french teacher tried to stop me leaving classroom once
i went through her

well i told you what ds did

No, he shouldn't stop them by force. But of course, if they are told to stay behind for a few minutes, or if they have received 24 hours notice of a detention, they should stay without having to be physically restrained...

he was lucky he was on the ground floor

it is all very complicated. feel for said teacher as he teaches humaties to yr 11's.

If teachers were allowed to grab , hold posssibly headlock!!!! the kids today perhaps our society of youths would have some manners to the point where if a teacher asks a child to stay put they say Yes Sir!!!!!

Yikes! The laswt thing I want to do is put a 16 year old in a headlock.

But I would like him to do as he is asked...

If I instruct students to stay behind at the end of the lesson occasionally some smart alec might say "you can't make me" and I might reply "watch me!" But they do stay when I tell them to - but just from force of personality, not physical force.

I do position myself physically to dominate a classroom and ensure I am in control of an orderly exit. However, if a student were physically intent on leaving I would not even stand between them and the door, let alone mandhandle the student at that point.

A colleague of mine did this - stood in the doorway to prevent a child leaving - and got pushed by the child. That is then a dreadful situation to be in, and a whole nother scale of confrontation/issue to be dealt with. Obviously the student was in the wrong, not her; but in the grand scheme of things it's a scenario that's better avoided if possible.

If a child is that intent on walking out, I would remind them of the consequences and allow them to leave.
But the students don't know that's what I think

I would also remind them of the consequences, repeat my request for them to stay, then allow them to go if they were still intent on doing so. I would then make sure I followed it up PDQ.

I wouldn't attempt to grab a pupil unless they were in danger, or fighting.

roisin you summed it up well.

Roisin, you sound like a brilliant teacher. I bet they do as they're told!