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16 year old suspected drug use & dealing. (long post)

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rp88 · 19/10/2022 01:17

Hi there all, just hoping some many be able to offer any help/advise on our situation.

I have a (just-turned) 16 year old younger brother who I now suspect to be using (and potentially dealing) cannabis.

A bit of History: He has always been a bit 'different', noticed from a very early age, he's very 'black and white', always struggled with keeping friendships/making friends, many see him as a bit odd and quirky. Always had an interest in more adult content from a young age, loved to try and watch horror/violence, always wanted to watch people on Youtube who used a lot of profanity, always loved talking about guns and things blowing up etc... and during his primary school years, had lots of issues with not being able to cope, going off into mad tantrums, competely shutting off. He cannot cope with failure or losing, is one extreme to the other in the sense of either stating he is terrible at something, or that he is the absolute best. Awful at time-keeping, still struggles a bit in reading analogue clocks. Has some sensory issues, easily distracted, very very picky eater, though has gotten slightly better in the past year. Overexaggerates, seems to act out to want to be the centre of attention, but then also says he doesn't like large groups of people. Often actively tries to talk about subjects where he can have an opposing view to try and create debate and potentially irritation/arguments between him and others. Often tries to be 'the hero' for others, even if it gets him in trouble or in fights.

He has friends/people he knows that also have issues around mental health, drinking, smoking, vaping etc... The friend he hangs around with most of the time he says has bi-polar.

He has not been too bad in secondary school until last year onwards. He has been gradually getting into trouble more and more frequently, spouting abuse at teachers regularly, being extremely defiant, excessive lying and so on. During the summer holidays this year, he was absolutely fine, he was going every weekday with his dad to work to help earn a little extra pocket money and keep him busy. As soon as he's started back up in school this Sept, we have had phone calls practically every day.

We have been reaching out to the school (for a long time!) about his issues and mum did fill in some forms for assessments etc.. but then didn't hear anything. We've had to keep on badgering the school after these behavioural episodes until finally they did get him a call from YOUnited. The man on the phone spoke to him for about 2 hours asking lots of questions and did at the end conclude that he does feel he has "neurological differences".

With continued trouble at school, mum was advised by a headteacher family friend (from his primary school) that surely they can put him on a reduced time-table and he should have an EHC plan (I think it's called). His school agreed to the partial timetable and the nurse who mum also phoned to get some additional advice explained there has been an EHC(?) thats been done and is a priority.

So the partial timetable has seemed to be helping for about two weeks and he's finally managed to get a few positive points in lessons on the online parent reports, however, then last week we had another issue.

Mum has known that he has being vaping for quite a while, we think this started sometime last year. He has two slightly older brothers (17, 18) that also did it when they were his age and they have pretty much grown out of it and never caused much issue, it was a rule however they were never to do it in the house. Although not wanting them to do it at all, parents felt that it was better to pick their battles and not cause additional friction in their GCSE & college years. Not to mention that it's almost impossible to force them to stop when all their mates do it too.

Going back to the 16 year old - last week mum woke him up in the morning, getting ready to take him to school around 11ish. He came downstairs and had breakfast, she said he seemed absolutely fine. Then when she went back up later to see if he was ready, she said he didn't look right, his eyes were red and didn't seem himself. He just said that it was because he was tired. She proceeded to take him to school, but then had to go to work herself.
I was at home and I got a call from the school a short while later telling me that he is just laying on the floor, refusing to move, saying he's tired, has red eyes and they suspect he is high. They asked him if he's taken anything, cannabis etc.. she told me he neither confirmed nor denied and started going on a tangent about medicinal marajuana and how it's "not illegal" anyway.

I picked him up and brought him home. Mum had arranged with him previously for his birthday at the weekend that he could have a couple of friends stay over and that she would order them takeout, so when she spoke to him once she was home about these goings on, he still point blank denied taking anything and in not believing him, she said that he would not be allowed his friends over at the weekend.

The next day she kept him off school and he stayed in his room all day apart from coming down once for food. The day after mum took him back into school again, only to get a call shortly after asking her to pick him up due to his abusive language and defiance again. She went to pick him up and he started shouting at her as well in front of everybody, calling her all the names under the sun, saying it was all her fault and then walked out the school into to the town, saying he was going to his friends house.
Mum was at the end of her tether and said to the school that if they need to they will have to call the police.

In a discussion between me and mum, we felt there isn't much we can actually do to force him to come home and she said to me that she won't be giving him any money because of the way he's been behaving.

Since then he has not been home. Mum has kept the line of communication open with him through messenger, asking occassionally where he is, if hes ok etc.. which hes been responding to. Then on Sunday - his 16th birthday - mum and I are walking the dogs and she gets a message from him. She tells me he's asked for £40, 'because it's his birthday'. I quickly flat out spurted out in response "NO WAY! how rude to just ask for money "because it's his birthday", he has cards and a few gifts here at home. Tell him if he wishes to come home and talk about all this then you will think about his pocket money situation, or something like that." Mum was not so agreeing, she was torn between giving it to him and my thoughts of not. I didn't want us to have a debate or argument about it, it's her choice at the end of the day, so I just left it there.

Later on that evening, she told me she did send him money in the end, but only £20, not the full £40. She asked if he would be coming home that night (as it's the last week before half term) and he replied simply: "probably." But he never did.

I had a gut feeling he would somehow try to convinse her to give him more money as he didn't get what he asked for. Well, Monday night, I come home from work and she starts telling me he's been messaging her quite a bit, he said he wants to buy thei Superdry coat off his mate, it's £140 (or something around that), and can he have that money (transferred from his own saving account that she is in charge off, that's usually where his pocket money goes into etc..)
She said she was asking him lots of questions about it, asking what one exactly and she was looking it up herself to see what it cost new and so on. But she didn't divulge to me whether she did actually send him the money across or not in the end, and I didn't want to ask her because she does seem to get cross with me if I step in with the what if's and suspsicions sometimes. So I left it there.
I had previously spoke to his 18 year old brother, who has more access to his social media posts (he uses snapchap) to please keep an eye out for anything he might post that would be of concern. Tonight the 18 year old messaged me pictures of my brother's posts, one of his hand holding a big blue bag that looks to contain cannabis, with text saying "Pu for bud" and another one showing a smaller bag with the text saying "should I roll my 5th blunt today?".

I have not spoke to mum about this yeat as she has gone to bed, but I am just very concerned and I'm not too sure what the next staps are that we can take, or if we/she should do anything at all other than offer to talk to him about it? Also, should she stop all money being sent to him completely, or is this a bad idea? Mum had messaged to school on Monday saying she felt my brother would be better to not come in until after the half term now. But what if he still ends up staying where he is at his friend's and still decided not to go into school after that?

Really need some help, mum is often reluctant to ask as she feels that noone wants to or can help, she finds it very hard to cope with all this and is going through the menopause herself, so she also has bad days. The school has been utterly useless and so slow with everything and they are indeed backlogged. We've been given links to information etc.. but other than read how to stay calm and just talk to them, os there actually anything else than can be done. I can speak for both myself and mum that we really do feel alone and lost, we don't know what to do for the best and at 16 it's very hard to encourage or enforce him to do anything, he does what he wants and his own words "I can look after myself".
I really hope you might be able to offer any help.

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HarrietSchulenberg · 19/10/2022 01:52

Hi - firstly, do you actually know where he is? If not, you need to report him as missing to the police. As he's 16 he can't be forced to return home but he is vulnerable and they will take you seriously.
I would share what you've told us here with school and ask them to make a contextual safeguarding referral. This is with the aim of assessing his risk of exploitation and putting measures in place to reduce (and hopefully stop) those behaviours. The police could and should do this too.
Finally, has he been assessed for ADHD, ASD or similar? Apologies if you've said this already, am on app and can't go back to check.

Hawkins001 · 19/10/2022 02:05

Basically hes on a highway to jail or a criminal record. All the best and positivity op

rp88 · 19/10/2022 02:13

Thank you for reading through and replying @HarrietSchulenberg , that is useful advice which I shall relay to mum tomorrow.

We are 'almost' certain we know where he is, at his friends house in the town where his school is (We live in a village). This friend is the one he states has bi-polar, the boy lives there with his dad (though was staying at him mums further away at one point as he had a falling out with his dad apparently), however I believe his dad works late/nights? as I think he is a DJ.
I don't believe mum has ever met this friends dad, though I think she does know where he lives. My stepdad (my brother's dad) has met him once and apparently he said my brother was a nice lad.

In regards to assessments, from what I understand, no he's not been assessed for anything, though mum has been filling in forms to do with all that (one she ended up doing twice after months of not hearing anything back from the school and then they sent her the form again). He had a chat with a guy from YOUnited and just yesterday she had a missed call from the place that is supposed to be getting him in for conselling, however they are only open on a thursday I believe, so that has been very slow to get that sorted too.

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rp88 · 19/10/2022 02:16

Also his school has no SENCO now as the once they had is off work due to long term illness.

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sjpkgp1 · 19/10/2022 03:21

Becky, I am glad you have posted on here, and even if you do not get much practical advice with the situation in hand, I hope you feel less alone in dealing with it. You sound like a lovely sister who has not just his welfare, but your mum's welfare at heart. I am a mum of four and my first (a son) did some of the things your brother is now doing, causing us no end of pain and worry, going missing, and leaving me and my daughter (who was actually a year younger but more sensible) combing social media and on one occasion phoning the police because he was missing for 48 hours, and then later at Christmas for many days with no contact. The "returner" always minimises the worry they've caused once they return. I have no advice regarding the school, I'm sorry, but I think lots of 16-17 year old vape and smoke weed when they get the chance. I would not make this the hill you die on. You mention his Dad on your post - can you reach out to him. I hope you get sorted. xx

wishmyhousetidy · 25/10/2022 17:46

sjpkgp1 · 19/10/2022 03:21

Becky, I am glad you have posted on here, and even if you do not get much practical advice with the situation in hand, I hope you feel less alone in dealing with it. You sound like a lovely sister who has not just his welfare, but your mum's welfare at heart. I am a mum of four and my first (a son) did some of the things your brother is now doing, causing us no end of pain and worry, going missing, and leaving me and my daughter (who was actually a year younger but more sensible) combing social media and on one occasion phoning the police because he was missing for 48 hours, and then later at Christmas for many days with no contact. The "returner" always minimises the worry they've caused once they return. I have no advice regarding the school, I'm sorry, but I think lots of 16-17 year old vape and smoke weed when they get the chance. I would not make this the hill you die on. You mention his Dad on your post - can you reach out to him. I hope you get sorted. xx

We are having similiar worries, different but there are similarities and threats to leave home, not come home etc. Did it work out for your son in the end? Did he grow out of these behaviours. I feel my child may not be neurotypical but as they are v bright it has been overlooked. They also see things totally black and white and have risky behaviours. The worry, stress and utter sadness it is causing her dad and I is awful. At times I don’t see us getting through it

sjpkgp1 · 25/10/2022 21:41

@wishmyhousetidy As he got older it got better, and incidents were less frequent, but it took a couple of years (sorry). People will say that there are things you can do, but I suspect that it is only the young person who can really make the changes required. Strangely helpful (and in no order) were a) social media (if only for being assured he was OK as we could see he had read posts) likewise having contact details of friends b) them cutting back on alcohol, c) them socialising less or with different people / having to work long hours (so less opportunity). In later years my son has said sorry for some of the things he did, particularly at Christmas when he has since realised it broke my heart. It is very difficult to cope with when you are going through it, but for most, I think they do move on, albeit not as fast as we'd all like. We have a good relationship now, and I probably trust him now to get himself out of any mess he has got himself into (which isn't that frequently).

wishmyhousetidy · 25/10/2022 22:19

sjpkgp1 · 25/10/2022 21:41

@wishmyhousetidy As he got older it got better, and incidents were less frequent, but it took a couple of years (sorry). People will say that there are things you can do, but I suspect that it is only the young person who can really make the changes required. Strangely helpful (and in no order) were a) social media (if only for being assured he was OK as we could see he had read posts) likewise having contact details of friends b) them cutting back on alcohol, c) them socialising less or with different people / having to work long hours (so less opportunity). In later years my son has said sorry for some of the things he did, particularly at Christmas when he has since realised it broke my heart. It is very difficult to cope with when you are going through it, but for most, I think they do move on, albeit not as fast as we'd all like. We have a good relationship now, and I probably trust him now to get himself out of any mess he has got himself into (which isn't that frequently).

thank you for this. i am pleased to hear he is growing through it. We are pleased she has a job so she works weekends but she is socialising manically so every night is stressful. She had a period of staying in and she was a different person. She is ambitious and I am hoping at sometime the realisation that she has to calm down to achieve what she wants will kick in and she’d will realise we are not the enemy. Hey ho i agree with you that ultimately the teen themselves must take responsibility for what they are doing but it seems for many parents it is an extremely distressing time which you feel will never end.

rp88 · 26/10/2022 01:36

@wishmyhousetidy So sorry to hear you are also going through a similar situation. @sjpkgp1 Thank you so much for your comments and encouragement that things may get better in the end. It's all we can cope for at the moment.

Most recent events for us are that he did decide to come home as his brother asked if he wanted to go to work with him last Friday. Mum and I were concerned that he may use the money (he gets some money for helping out when he goes) to buy drugs, so we made it clear to him that if he does go, the money will go straight into his saving account.

That weekend (just gone) my muim and stepdad were away for a short weekend break so I was looking after things at home. Mum had told me that he is not to go out to meet friends and noone is to come round, until they are back at least so I didn't have any issues or worries. On Saturday, brother comes down all dressed to go out. He said he was going on his bike to meet a mate. I told reminded him of what mum had said, but he said he was going anyway. I asked him to wait and I phoned mum for advice. She said she wanted him to stay home at this time and that if he does leave then he won't be allowed back in (as we would not be sure if he had go to get anything / take anything etc..)

He decided to still go anyway. Said he'll be 45 mins and he'll be back. I told him I will have to lock the doors then, if he leaves he's been warned. He still went anyway.

A while later I have Banging and bashing on the back door. I was quite worried and fearful as I was on my own, so I phoned the police. They heard him bashing in the background and told me it would be a priority. Anyway, another 40 mins later, a woman calls me back, and at this point he had just stopped banging on the door. She told me to look and see if he was still there, to go outside and look too. I called him and he did appear from around the courner of the house. After talking for a while on what to do, (and me not really knowing because I didn't want to let him in for the previous concerns) so she said she'd try to phone mum and speak to her about it.

Anyway, I was stood in the doorway waiting for her to call back for ages, meanwhile, after initially him shouting and completely altering the story that he was already on his bike and half way leaving before I told him he wouldn't be allow back (not true) and then me saying I'm not talking to him if he's going to start swearing etc.. eventually I just started calming asking him short little questions, like what friend did he go an see, wheres he from, and then having a little moan about why is it taking them so long to call back. Then talked about some games and random topics. He'd calmed down, I felt calmer and it was 45 mins later I finally got a call back, but from a male officer who told me he's taken over on the night shift, who quite frankly was rather rude, very abrubt, loud and didn't let me get a word in hardly. They couldn't get through to mum (poor singal area) He repeated to me about 5 times going over the same thing saying that if I tell him I'm not letting him in then they will have to send someone over and I could be arrested for child neglect etc etc...

I do understand that from 16 up to 18 you can refuse entry into the home, however you have a duty of care to make sure they have somewhere else to stay. (We do have a campervan out the front, though I'm not sure if there would have been a way to have the heating on) but I was also worried about the possibility of him bringing drugs in the house. I really just wanted some help/advice on the situation, but didn't get any. I did let him in as he was calm, I made a point to look at his eyes to make sure they weren't red and listened to his speech. He said to me I'm welcome to search him. So I got him to empty his pockets, checked in his earpods case, go him to take his shoes and shake them. I found nothing untoward, but of course I can't exacty check everywhere, but I felt at that point, after talking even more and trying to get across to him that we don't actually want him to be stuck out, and that he must understand that we are doing this because we care and don't want him to get himself in trouble and involved with the wrong crowd. I don't know if he took what I said on board, but maybe it could have helped a little.

Since then, he's stayed at home and mum has been trying to keep finding little things he can do so he's not just sitting in his room all day and distracting him a bit from his phone, like getting him to go food shopping with her, getting his dad to ask him for help in the garage, sweeping up leaves and so on. At the moment he seems all back to be his normal self, but we just dread when he goes back to school again, as that's when things always start kicking off.

The school has had up in for a meeting (I went with mum) and talking about changing his reduced time-table so that he just goes in in the mornings and then gets picked up, so there's no worry about him not getting the bus and going into town. Another lady who I spoke to on the phone (this was before the half term whilst he was still not home and the school had phoned saying he's turned up at the school "very high") was also very concerned about him, especially because of how he is and we all feel he can be quite vulnerable and easily used/exploited/manipulated and so she felt it would be best to go down the route of involving Child social services as involving them gets the ball moving with help for him much quicker,
They have since been in touch with mum and the lady could not believe or understand why he never had any help even from events she was describing from primary school. I believe she has given consent for 'Early Help', so that is where we are currently at.

It is such a rollercoaster and one I hope will stop sooner rather than later, but I am just relieved that things are currently calm in the house at least and that support is being put in place that will hopefully help!

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wishmyhousetidy · 10/12/2022 18:47

Hope things are going ok with you. We are on early help and I think if you get a good social worker then it will be helpful. Ours is great. Good luck—I am hopeful that with engaged family around them they will come through this time- fingers crossed.

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