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Parenting teenagers has its ups and downs. Get advice from Mumsnetters here.

At breaking point with teen boy

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KLC23 · 27/09/2022 10:27

Have a 13 year old son who is due to turn 14 in two weeks time. I can honestly say we have always had a happy home, apart from the usual hiccups that most families have. I have never really had any issues with my son right from a baby up until he turned 13.
it all began when he started senior school. He had a really promising year in year 7, positives were really out weighing the negatives which was brilliant. He then went into year 8 when the problems began - it started with just defiance, where he would refuse to do as he was asked by teaching staff. Then it escalated to really bad behaviour such as setting off fire alarms so the whole school would have to be evacuated (over 900 pupils). He would swear at senior staff and call them vulgar names. He eventually got excluded 3 times then finally permanently expelled.

He then had to go to panel, where a school would be chosen based on his behavioural needs. This was a lengthy process that took just over 3 months. This gave my son a lot of free time on his hands and he was going missing regularly. I had to report him missing I believe over 13 times where he would just not return home when asked to/told to. I would often be out in my car up until 2/3am looking for him in a state of worry and panic. He would also run out of the door in the middle of the night which would then mean I am up and out again looking for him.

I work in the cancer unit at our local hospital, so am often going to work and facing long shifts without sleep, or very little. Which was proving difficult. I then got a dead lock fitted on a Sunday morning as a way to safeguard him and keep him in at night, I was told by a social worker this was false imprisonment and that I couldn’t lock the door. 🤦‍♀️
He then got into another main stream school and I felt so relieved. I sat with my son and did the whole “this is a brand new start for you” and “a great opportunity for you to get a good education and make a new friendship group”. I was really hopeful that he would take this opportunity with both hands and really try and excel.

He had an OK start, not great, but he was getting up and going in, in full uniform which was promising. But then things started to slip back to how they were. He was refusing to go in full stop, or he would wear clothes under uniform for when he felt he’d had enough for the day and would just walk out.
the school and I sat together and made a plan to help my son, as we felt it may have been to much as he had been out of full education for over 3 months. We tweaked his time table and allowed him to do half days then staggered it to full days to ease him in and not overwhelm him.

well I can only describe this as we gave him
an inch, and he took a mile. He would only turn up to things he wanted to, he would quite often leave schooL site go and get high then return when he felt like it but wouldn’t engage in lessons he would just abuse staff and students and disrupt. I am quite often called to pick him up or help go and manage him. Work are understanding but they also have a service to run so their patience is wearing rather thin.

I have cried out to social services for help. I have explained that I am a single parent that is way out of me depth and I need serious help.

I am yet to receive that help as of yet. And we are now at a point where things have broken down so badly in the family home. My son will completely disregard the rules and boundaries I set within the home, he will not go to bed when I ask, he will not get up and go to school when he asked/supposed to, if I say he is grounded I get laughed at and told to fuck off, he continues to go out and Returns home when he’s finished doing what ever it is he does. He then strolls in high as a kite and will eat everything in sight, and this happens 5 nights out of 7 so can be costly at the moment!!! He will often wear dirty shoes around the house that he knows I’ve just cleaned and will provoke reactions for example he will go and rub his muddy trainer over the sofa purposely to spark a reaction. I have had drinks thrown over me, I have had food thrown around the house, I have been spat at. He is now bigger than me and is very aggressive, my internal doors the majority of them have holes in, his bedroom walls have holes in, I have just replaced his bedroom door and it’s now broken again. He will stand over my whilst Im sitting and will attempt to intimidate me quite often. He steals from the family home and I now have to take my hand bag everywhere or leave certain things in my car over night. I cannot go to bed when I feel like it as he will persistently dominate the environment by making loud noises, wondering around shouting chants very late at night, flickering light switches on and off continuously. I get spoken to like absolutely dirt, for example yesterday my son was being soooo rude and disrespectful calling me a cunt/slag etc then asked me to drive him somewhere I said absolutely not. I am not prepared to do a favour for you when you are treating me the way you are, you can walk. I was called fucking lazy. I get kicked to get up and make his breakfast etc. Sometimes I feel it’s worse than being in an abusive relationship because I’d somewhat have hope of escaping one day, here I do not.

he has over heard me sobbing on the phone to my mum saying I can’t do it anymore, to which he responded “why don’t you Kill yourself then? “

it goes way beyond just “bad behaviour” he is quite honestly the most rude, disrespectful, nasty, spiteful person I have ever had to encounter.

social services have done nothing but penalise me as a parent which just makes me cross because I have raised this boy single handed since he was one, we have never had social services involved except up until 14 months ago when I cried out for help from them. They said I work long days (I do 30 hours over 3 days in the hospital) and it was no wonder he was angry towards me etc. I am his only provider, I need to got to work. But I was made to feel shambolic for this. Not what I expected when I asked for help.

there was supposed to be a meeting held today which has been cancelled last minute. I feel this was my only life line, I do not know where to turn anymore. And I am scared somebody is going to be hurt within the family home.he is on the brink of being permanently expelled again and I am just at breaking point. I want to run away

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KLC23 · 27/09/2022 22:48

@everybody Thankyou for your kind words and advice xxx

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shmiz · 27/09/2022 22:51

My thoughts are also with u -
i don’t know what to advise …..
it sounds like a living nightmare x

HangingOver · 27/09/2022 23:01

Is he ever nice OP?

Fcuk38 · 27/09/2022 23:12

Lots of people here saying sign him over into care but I can imagine it’s not that easy for this mum to do that even if things are as described.

id ignore a lot of what ss have said about locks in doors. My 13 year old son has random
episodes and I have to quick as lightning lock all the doors and hide the keys otherwise he would be off. If this is false imprisonment so be it better than him being out and being a danger to himself. I’d be getting a lock on my own bedroom door so he can’t come and kick you and wake you for breakfast.

they won’t charge you for abandonment I mean he’s 13 not a toddler add in all the things you’ve said and that your calls to the police will have been noted.

you say you are a solo parent but do you have any other family support that you could lean on here. Not someone that’s going to come and give him a pep talk as I genuinely think that would infuriate the situation. But someone you can contact when you are feeling vulnerable / threatened because of his behaviour who can pop round and be the mediator between the two of you? Things sound fractious so another person may help to try and get your points across. Or perhaps they can act as an escape for you so when things get too much you pop out for x number of hours to calm the situation.

I think you seriously need to consider if something else is going on here. Have you tried to get him to see a doctor? Is he depressed about something? Have you asked him where the drugs are coming from? Could he be involved in county lines.

are there any other siblings in the house as you referred to other people in the family getting hurt. If there is perhaps that’s your change of tac when you report him to the police that he is a danger to younger siblings. As I said my son has occasional episodes and once he’s calmed down i always reiterate that if he ever ever goes for his sibling the police will be called and I will tell them the crime committed and there will be none of me coming to bail him out.

MsCactus · 27/09/2022 23:33

I'd echo another poster that said 'it sounds like something else might be going on here'. Whenever I behaved at my worst as a teenager it was because I was upset and wasn't yet old enough to know how to handle my emotions, so just lashed out.

It's not OK, but he's still very young and his brain isn't developed like an adults (even if he looks like one), so I think all this behaviour is a sign that he's hurting/struggling. Can you get him to see a doctor? Would he agree to that?

If the behaviour is too extreme for you to manage anymore you could also request a section 20 to have him temporarily taken into care, as other commenters have mentioned.

CatchersAndDreams · 28/09/2022 06:53

Sect 20 isn't permanent and isn't a care order. You still have parental responsibility. Sometimes a break is needed but also the police will have to take him going missing much more seriously, he will have better access to support, and the space could help you rebuild your relationship. If he did go into care SS will be very keen on reunification. Despite what you hear SS don't want to snatch your dc and would much rather he was with you and not their problem.

Kinderbuenos · 28/09/2022 07:05

You may have already try this but could your DM sit him down and have a conversation along the lines of ‘Your DM loves you but your DM is my child and I am not going to watch her be put through this’

Then perhaps they can outline what the ongoing consequences of his actions are.

Its so very very hard and you have my sympathies, you sound like a great mum. It does sound like he starting taking drugs in senior school and this is what has changed his behaviour

RudsyFarmer · 28/09/2022 07:33

This is a safe guarding issue and having read through the literature last night that comes from Government, various agencies should be acting on this.

My first thought is do you think it’s a county lines issue? Does he have expensive goods that you have no idea how he has afforded? Any new clothes or trainers? I would be approaching the school again and social services and say you no longer have control.

KLC23 · 28/09/2022 09:52

There would be times where he would be approachable for a conversation, but those times are very few and far between at the moment. If I attempt to make any conversation, as basic as “how was your day today?” I get told to fuck off and to stop fucking interrogating him. I explain I’m not interrogating and it’s just a standard conversation but he will often tell me to stay out of his business. Again, I explain it’s my job as I am his mum and I care. But this falls on deaf ears. I honestly feel like I have lost my boy, I hardly recognise him anymore.

Because of the going missing issues, I had concerns that he may be involved in county lines, I expressed my concerns to both the police and to social services. My son has a SPOC officer who does the local beat, he has built relationships with a lot of the youths round our area and checks on him probably once a week and keeps an eye on who is knocking about with who in what area. It’s kind of a relief to have eyes and ears out there. However, I have never found anything that seriously suggests that’s what’s happening here - I have never found quantities of cash, I have never found unexplained gifts, or clothes etc. I make a habit of going through his room regularly when he’s not home to see if I ever find anything but nothing as of yet.

I have attempted to take my son to the GP on three occasions since this began, one he agreed to. And after spending just a few minutes with the GP she instantly sent over a referral for a ADHD assessment. The waiting list for this is 18months. The other two appointments he point blank refused to attend, so I attending in his absence but they couldn’t refer to any other agencies with out his verbal permission to do so so this felt like a wasted time for me and them.

I have also sat with him on numerous occasions and pretty much begged him to let me in and explain why he’s behaving this way, he did open up to me way back in January and explained he had been going through a tough time with a nasty group. He said they had been bullying him, getting him to fight others, burning his clothes whilst he’s wearing them etc. And I do fear he is constantly seeking approval from others. It broke my heart hearing how he’d been through such a tough time, I think I cried all night long that night.
But since then he has changed schools, and I think this has approved although I’m not 100% certain as when he goes out if I even begin to ask him where he’s been or who with I either get a major kick off and told to fuck off out of his business/stop fucking interrogating/or I just simply get lied too. I never ever ever get the honest truth. Massively concerning. Also disheartening as I don’t feel I can help until I know what is going on.

I do know this has stemmed from when he was having a rough time with the nasty group, and since then he has learnt just how easy it is to defy both myself and the school(s). And although I do think he is in a slightly better place, I can’t see his behaviour improving anytime soon.

Family members such as nanny, grandad and aunt have also tried to sit with my son and have a chat with him, but it typically goes in one ear and straight out the other. I am learning he can be rather manipulative and will tell people exactly what they want to hear to swiftly end the conversation.

police have also been to the house and given him a stern talking too about the path he may be choosing in life. To which he responds “Get oit of my house you piggy whore” “I don’t want to fucking speak to you, get out init” he literally hates anybody with any kind of authority and will instantly be rude and disrespectful. I am completely out of ideas.

thankyou for your advice and kind words I really appreciate it. I feel this is probably the most support/advice I have had in 14 months.

I am looking in to the section 20 today.

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Kinderbuenos · 28/09/2022 11:08

OP My brother exhibited much of the bad behaviour, drug use, bad crowd etc.

She kept at him, he eventually grew out of it but it was a very difficult few years.

He is only 13 so many of the options open to parents of older teens are simply not open to you. All I can suggest is you stay with him and engage engage engage with any services available to you.

He may come out of this in time, he may not, but all you can do is stick with him for the time being.

Being physically abusive or thrashing the house is another matter - then I would call the police.

Would he move in with his grandparents for a while - it worked for another family member when the boy realised he couldn’t treat his aunt the way he treated his mother or he would be on the streets

GreenManalishi · 28/09/2022 12:51

Your update is heartbreaking, I feel for you and also for him, he is just way out of his depth and in a situation that he doesn't have the ability to deal with. It sounds likely that the school move hasn't had the desired effect of seperating him from the group that was treating him so horrendously, and he's just not coping at all. Look into county lines, he could be financially indebted and literally frightened for his life, and have no way how to tell you, or any adult, which is why his reaction to "interference" is so strong.

The effects of weed these days are also a lot different to that of a generation ago, it's got huge phsychological ramifications on adults, let alone children, it's so strong now.

It may be that he has to hit rock bottom. I am so sorry for both of you, and hope that you get the help you need asap.

thepurplewhisperer · 28/09/2022 17:26

CatchersAndDreams · 27/09/2022 20:43

If you tell SS you want to sign section 20 for him to go into care I can almost guarantee they will pull out the stops to support you to keep him at home.

This. Know what to say and when not to back down.

So very sorry you are left with this. Children's services are abysmal from experience.

onmywayamarillo · 28/09/2022 18:45

Oh I know I've been there and back! Awful horrible situation I felt like I was living with an absolute horror of a person. Really feel for your situation as I've been there

Only advice support or help I can give you is

Chat don't lecture
React to awful behaviour with how would you like to be treated like that?
Be there as much as you can 😬😬😬🥶
Adopt a weird stepford wife face okay dear what ever you say attitude

Bloody hell it's hard! I did get his dad involved (single parent)

Lay down some laws (easier said than done)

Ignore a lot of the gibes

Honestly I don't know how I got through it but 4 years later he doesn't remember a lot of it. I do!!?

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