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How to parent difficult DS15 who doesn't care about punishments

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worriedmum20000 · 30/11/2021 09:31

I've just written and lost a long thread so the brief version is an increasingly angry & defiant 15-year-old DS, in the middle of his mocks doing barely anything, disappearing off to meet his girlfriend after school without telling us he'll be late home, foul language, doing nothing around the house and being really angry at everybody.

The atmosphere at home is hideous and I just feel like he's spiralling out of control & I don't know how to stop him Sad After a particularly unpleasant incident of lying and swearing last week I took away his tech - he says he doesn't care. I asked him not to go out during the week whilst he's got mocks and he ignores me and goes anyway and says I can't stop him. I mean he's not wrong as he's going on the bus after school when we're at work.

What do I do? He won't communicate with us and says he hates living here and doesn't give a shit about any of us. I can barely look at him wanting to cry and my poor younger DC just hide upstairs when he gets home to avoid the conflict.

The way I see it we really only have two options - completely back off and let him do what he wants and have a bit more harmony at home and hope he sees sense soon, or continue to battle and risk pushing him further away and potentially into more trouble. Surely there's a third option I just don't know about.

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worriedmum20000 · 30/11/2021 09:50

Link to my last post a few weeks ago when I took the advice on board about giving him more control, ignoring the small stuff like state of his room etc. Bar the odd blip went ok until I had what I thought was quite a grown-up conversation about our expectations during his mocks (no socialising in the week, phone downstairs when he goes to bed). It's all gone wrong since then & add new girlfriend on the scene which hasn't helped because of course he wants to see her.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/teenagers/4399902-moody-teen-am-i-being-too-controlling

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Comedycook · 30/11/2021 10:14

I understand... my Ds is slightly younger at 13 but so unbearably rude and absolutely vile. I'm also struggling to know what to do...if we are too strict, he seems to get worse and if we are too lax he gains confidence in his vile behaviour and gets worse...I'm sorry, I realize that's not very helpful but solidarity Flowers

ragged · 30/11/2021 21:12

I had to take a containment & damage limitation strategy with my eldest.

worriedmum20000 · 30/11/2021 22:09

@ragged

I had to take a containment & damage limitation strategy with my eldest.
Did it work? And if so can you share your strategies.....
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NuffSaidSam · 30/11/2021 22:14

I'd let him screw up his mocks. That's partly what they're for. Then talk to him about how that relates to his next steps.

I do think no socialising during the week is a bit much tbh! It probably would have been better, rather than laying down your expectations to have approached it as a team effort i.e. 'we all want you to do well on your mocks, how can we achieve that?' and discussed and compromise.

He is almost an adult. You have to start involving him in these decisions.

ragged · 01/12/2021 06:54

Examples

containment: Get DS to agree on what was acceptable behaviour towards rest of us in house (like no swearing or angry shouting). He couldn't always find self-control, but at least there were fewer disagreements about what was reasonable behaviour as our housemate, and he would make an effort to stay within these boundaries

damage limitation: chats with DS about his Plans A, B, C... depending on his academic results etc. Him deciding & my part was just making sure he had ideas and picture of consequences depending on his own decisions (eg, if he revised or not). I'm a glass half full "everything is an opportunity" person, so I was working on getting DS to think positively not wallow in doom & negativity. No judgements from me on outcomes, as long as the outcomes were legal.

I find teens like boundaries. They like the security of them, even as they push & damage relationships, it's like being inside a safety net 200' above the ground. They only break a few strands because they want a looser fit, not because they want the whole thing removed. They can't articulate that, of course. They get huge sense of security from the net being there and can be quite peaceful about the boundaries at other times.

ufucoffee · 01/12/2021 07:09

Of course he'll say he doesn't care when you take away his tech. But I had years of experience in dealing with teenagers through work and believe me he does care. The mistake I found parents made was not to keep to their word. They would return the Xbox because their child still wasn't behaving. Don't do this. Also, I agree with sitting him down and asking him to agree on rules for the house and consequences if the rules are broken and make it clear that any consequences will be carried out and stuck to. I also agree that teenagers like boundaries. They pretend they don't. But they do. Agree nights and times he can see his girlfriend. I wouldn't stop him seeing her altogether during the week. If you want him in by 10 ask him to come in for 9. That way if he's late he thinks he's won a small victory Smile

worriedmum20000 · 01/12/2021 08:19

Ok thanks all.

Girlfriend we discussed last night as I thought it was pointless banning him as he'll go anyway and it'll be another row. So, agreed he can see her twice mid week but home by 7pm latest if he wants to continue his sport 3 evenings (thankfully still v. keen to continue) to call for a lift rather than sit at a bus stop for an hour! He can see her whenever he wants Friday pm, Saturday & Sunday around work/sporting commitments.

I will read the other suggestions and sit down for a chat at the weekend. We do have a few basic rules we all agreed to follow (no foul swearing, clear up after yourself, phones downstairs at bedtime in the week, cook for the family once a week except I somehow have 4 daysHmm) - all works beautifully most of the time but pretty much every rule falls by the wayside when he's in a mood. Anyway he seems to have calmed down a bit thankfully but will keep all this in mind for the next time.

WRT GCSE's it's pretty clear he will fail most of his mocks and I'm really hoping this acts as a wake up call. He's interested in uni & no clue what he wants to do but is keen to stay on at school to do a btec so does have to at least pass. He won't even discuss alternative options, look round 6th form college etc

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Croesotygwyn · 01/12/2021 14:00

My son was like this, he was impossible to parent. If we tried to punish him he’d just laugh and do what he wanted regardless. He was always defiant and difficult but it escalated when he started secondary school.

We’d ground him and he’d climb out of the window at night and jump from his room onto the porch roof and escape, we’d take his stuff off him, he didn’t care, he started smoking weed, we gave him no money but he just carried on and we’d end up having to pay off debts because we were scared of the kind of people he was with.

He refused to attend school and in the end was placed in the internal referral unit because when he did go, his behaviour was atrocious.

He would smash mirrors, throw things in anger and even try and crash the car when I was driving by grabbing the steering wheel. We went to doctors, parenting classes and local agencies who worked with troubled children. We tried to get him assessed for ADHD but they refused because he had smoked cannabis.

Nothing we did worked, he claimed the problem was everyone else not him. His anger was off the chart. He attacked me a few times and I called the police, he just smirked at them.

In the end I withdrew completely. I switched off and let him get on with it, of course I desperately cared about him and deep down was in such turmoil but I could no longer cope with him, So stopped trying to parent him. If he refused to go to school, I’d shrug and say that’s a shame, if he kicked off at home, I’d leave the room and ignore. I kept communication to the minimum.

He left school at 16 with no qualifications to speak of (all F and G grades). He’s now 17 and working at a depot, off loading lorries, driving a forklift and earning plenty of money. He’s funny, charming and even tells me he loves me! I believe it was a mixture or raging hormones, inability to cope with a school environment and personality traits.

It won’t last forever.

Strangevipers · 01/12/2021 14:17

Teenagers are evil

Can you offer your DS and his girlfriend to chill out after school at your house? He might not perform infront of his girlfriend and make the household environment a bit more relaxed ?

Also what another PP said let him mess his mocks up might be the shock he needs?

Also I wouldn't say he has to leave his phone downstairs at a certain time , phone are life lines to kids these days , maybe he needs to chat to mates before bed or listen to podcasts or something

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