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Teen / Dad Battling. Who is right?

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Ginkpin · 24/11/2021 10:40

Background:
DD 16 is trickly. She has always been stubborn, headstrong and at times, rude – even when knowing that her behaviour will land her in trouble. She has horrendous mood swings (worse than your average teen I would say) and can become hysterical with rage or upset over anything. So far, so nearly normal…. She can be lovely and when her guard is down, she is sweet and vulnerable. BUT her anger is off the scale and she is often embroiled in a friendship drama. She wants security and love but pushes it away when it knocks so friends don’t know where they stand. She has told me that she hates her life and feels like she is on the edge. She hates being at home and just wants to be out with her friends (who are mostly lovely to be fair) but they do drink at parties/weekend and I know they also smoke weed sometime. DD has told me she is full of rage and thinks she would do well to talk to someone.

She is constantly at loggerheads with her dad.

DH is fiery and also stubborn. Quite old school and the product of a very traditional Mediterranean upbringing. He has no patience for teen angst/struggles and thinks everything can be solved by discipline and rules. He thinks social media is the route of all evil and that everything would be solved by banning it. I agree to an extent, but when you have a DD with massive FOMO, it’s always going to be an unwinnable battle to get them to ditch SM. He says I have caused massive problems because I’ve overruled him disciplining the DC over the years and to a degree, it’s true. I think he is ‘too much’ so have always felt obliged to go softer than I would otherwise in order to redress the balance. As a result, we have not always been aligned. Because of this (and other things) we have had many rocky patches over the years and the DC have seen him shouting and ranting and losing his temper many times. I think this has been damaging. On the flip side of this, he just wants to care for us, feed us and can be very gentle, caring and kind. He tries to talk to DD but she pushes him away. He knows his temper has not been good and has taken big and successful steps to improve things and apart from what’s just happened, things have been much better for a long time. He has also apologised to DC for being historically angry.

The dilemma
He and DD fell out very badly a couple of nights ago – DD had been vile and confrontational for several days and DH finally flipped. She told him she hated him and he disgusted her and he was a fucking pig and he told her to go to her room. She said ‘no. you can’t make me because if you do I will call social services’ and he lost it and dragged her off the sofa by her hoodie. He didn't touch her body in any way, but pulled her hood. She then picked up a glass candle and told him she wanted to smash it in his face. She also picked up nail scissors and said if he came closer, she would stab him (I can categorically say that she wouldn’t have). BUT It was the awful – the worst.

DH took her phone and has this morning told me she is grounded till Christmas. I agree that she has crossed a line, but I think that cutting her off from the support of her friends (no phone/no socialising) when she is this angry and needs an outlet, is dangerous. He says I am being too soft and that is what has got us here. I have reminded him that she has said she knows she has anger issues and wants to talk to someone and he has said that whilst he isn’t against her talking to someone in principle if that’s what she needs, she needs to try things ‘his way’ first as he thinks she needs stronger boundaries and that will make her feel better in the long run.

I say grounding her for a month and taking her phone away for effectively finally exploding after seeing him modelling a bad temper for years, is unfair. He has said that I need to wake up and finally align myself with him as he loves her and has her best interests at heart and my ‘softy softly’ approach clearly hasn’t worked. If I don’t – then we need to consider our future. He has said we need to at least try and work together as a family before reaching out to get outside help.

I am so torn. She will panic, the sob, then rage if she thinks she can’t go out for a month and hasn’t got her phone, and worse – she will think I am denying her access to counselling when she has asked for it, but maybe we should work as a family first and this is appropriate course of action. I just have no idea.

DH and I have had a massive row this morning with me stating the above and I no longer know what I think any more.

OP posts:
ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 24/11/2021 15:18

Could l just add to that Plan?

Someone upthread said if she behaved at school, then she can behave at home. But actually ASD kids just hold everything in at school, and it all comes out at home.

So the school/home behaviour thing isn’t really relevant.

Ginkpin · 24/11/2021 15:18

He does accept that she is the product of our nurture - or lack of (shouting) but can't join up the dots enough to see that by that fact, punishment is not appropriate. I can't seem to get through to him that 'parenting' means making the right judgment calls even if it feels wrong to him.

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PlanDeRaccordement · 24/11/2021 15:24

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow
Good point. My DD17 certainly does. It’s wearing on her though as she comes home and crashes. She can’t navigate public transport though unlike her siblings did at her age.

ToughTittyWhompus · 24/11/2021 15:26

He assaulted her, she tried to defend herself. I know who I’d be backing here.

PlanDeRaccordement · 24/11/2021 15:34

@Ginkpin

He does accept that she is the product of our nurture - or lack of (shouting) but can't join up the dots enough to see that by that fact, punishment is not appropriate. I can't seem to get through to him that 'parenting' means making the right judgment calls even if it feels wrong to him.
You’re getting a bit too general. Focus on the incident in isolation. That it was handled poorly by DH as he escalated it from a verbal argument to physical by grabbing her hoodie. That it was this escalation and assault that were the direct cause of your DDs threats with the nail scissors. Therefore, he cannot punish her for something he directly caused to happen. Underline that punishment only further escalates and worsens the situation and could make his and DDs relationship unsalvageable.

That this incident should be a wake up call that he and DD need individual help with their anger as soon as possible ...as in professional counselling.

Don’t get side tracked into oh if only we’d shouted less five years ago. Focus on the now. You’ve had 16yrs to muddle along with no professional help. You have only two years left. Without help, your chances of healthy relationship with adult DD are getting smaller every day you kick the can down the road.

GinIronic · 24/11/2021 15:34

Your thug of a husband should apologise and he should stop all punishments and give her phone back. Counselling won’t resolve anything. Your husband is stuck in the Victorian era where children (and wives) should just do as they are told. I feel sorry for your daughter. I would hate being home too if he is there.

MarleneDietrichsSmile · 24/11/2021 15:45

I find it shocking that you and DH think it is ok to pull and drag her by her hoodie

Would he or you do this to your parents? Yo eachother? To your colleagues? It’s so wrong to treat a young adult like this (not that it’s ok for a small child , but you sometimes have to be more hands on with toddler who puts himself in danger)

The grounding and phone confiscation is harsh too

Your DD was out of line, your DH then accerbated the problem and got physical

He’s pushing his daughter away, his behaviour is so harmful. If my DH or anyone dragged me around by my hoodie, I’m not sure I’d respond in a seasonable manner…

ToughTittyWhompus · 24/11/2021 15:51

I grew up with a mother like your H - she liked smack, shove, drag and scream like a banshee at me. She was twice my size.

Not longer after I turned 16, i retaliated to being dragged by the back of my jumper by grabbing the nearest thing and swinging it at her as hard as I could, which forced her to let go of me, and I then threw it at her.

She was so shocked she actually shut up and walked off, and something in me just clicked that night - I realised for the first time that actually, I didn’t have to put up with this shit. That was the night I started shutting down emotionally towards her and disconnecting emotionally.

Your DH needs to sort his shit out before he ends up with a daughter who leaves home at 18, never goes back and goes NC with him at 21.

ifchocolatewerrcelery · 24/11/2021 15:55

To be fair to your DD, your DH is lucky she hasn't called the police and asked
you to be a witness to the domestic violence that occurred in your house. Button pushing is what teenagers do. Taking away her phone will not take her away her access to social media but will push her towards more her risky life style choices. How do you see this ending? At 16 she can leave he or he could throw her out, neither will end well.

PlanDeRaccordement · 24/11/2021 15:56

Your DH needs to sort his shit out before he ends up with a daughter who leaves home at 18, never goes back and goes NC with him at 21.

Well said @ToughTittyWhompus they are on that path if they keep it in the family. So sorry for you though sounds a horrible childhood. Flowers

Ifeelmuchlessfat · 24/11/2021 20:17

So sorry for the awful time you’re having when you need support yourself. FWIW I’m with the majority, teens push boundaries, it’s their job, and some can be vile with the calmest parents. Your dd’s father figure is not calm.
The fault here is his. In an ideal world he’d apologise - one can disagree but being physical is unforgivable. They have no respect and little affection for each other, and as the adult he needs to find ways to address this. Could they spend some time away together?

You also need to take some time out, as this must be agony for you and you can actually only do your best. As a pp has said, your relationship with her is fine, it’s not your job to sort his problems he’s caused.

Can you go away for a few days, to a friends to recuperate?

Comefromaway · 24/11/2021 22:53

She needs help. He behaviour is unacceptable. Has she ever had any assessments for autism etc.

It does sound like you have been too soft with her so that her boundaries have become blurred.

Quartz2208 · 25/11/2021 09:05

Her boundaries are blurred because her father acts one way and expects different behaviour from her and then you OP act in another so she has absolutely no consistency.

Shouting is perceived as normal across the board.

You do need to change your style OP because it isnt working for her - she is crying out for some boundaries and in that sense your husband is right. She does need clearly defined boundaries.

But your husband needs to face up to his terrible part in all of this - his behaviour is not on. He cannot expect her to overcome his past so easily. He needs to stop the shouting and the anger and higher expectations of her behaviour than his. Has he had any thoughts on his own frankly dreadful behaviour.

Your daughter I think has attachment issues with him - and insecure attachment that causes her to push him away and say those things. His response is to merely reinforce that - by assaulting her then wanting to punish her rather than being her father.

You need to work as a family with no punishments and outside support.

Ginkpin · 25/11/2021 10:29

Thank you all. I am reading every response very carefully and weighing the advice against the reality of what is happening at home. My problem is that I am fear-led. I have huge anxiety around shouting and aggression so constantly jump in trying to smooth things over, but this makes things worse as I am then picking sides (usually DD) so DH feels isolated and becomes even more determined to impose his views.

Last night was a bit calmer but this morning was horrific. Actually horrific. DD left in floods of tears and rage saying she was never coming home and DH started yelling that she was going to lose her laptop as well now. That's all he does - take things away.

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Quartz2208 · 25/11/2021 11:32

But actually you shouldnt have to step in and smooth things over - it should never be shouting and aggression in the first place and that bit is all your DH.

He needs to stop taking things away and shouting is the problem. You come in at the smooth over stage and it shouldnt get to that bit. His way is definitely not working and just pushing her away and is frankly an awful environment for everyone to live in.

No one should impose their views and people have a fundamental right to live in an environment that doesnt involve aggression or shouting.

That is the bit that your DH needs to grasp - there is no imposing of anything

riotlady · 25/11/2021 14:04

Is this the first time he’s gotten physical with her?

purpleme12 · 25/11/2021 14:22

This is just shocking
I feel so bad for her

ToughTittyWhompus · 25/11/2021 14:24

OP, you do have power here, you know?

You need to find the will to do something about this.

DriftingBlue · 25/11/2021 15:52

Her entire life is at a crossroads and you don’t have time to waste. You need to get her into counseling. Not family counseling, individual counseling.

If you need to temporarily live with her separately from your DH, then do that. She needs a calm, stable home to focus on her education. You want her to have a good launch into adulthood, not to run from the house into unstable housing and employment just to get away.

urbanbuddha · 25/11/2021 16:33

How on earth will taking her laptop away stop her wanting to leave home?

mumofEandE · 05/01/2022 19:23

I have just seen your thread - this is EXACTLY the same position I am in with DG and DD (16).
How are things now?

ChateauMargaux · 07/01/2022 15:14

I hope you have found some support... you, your DH and your DD all need to talk to someone, not necessarily the same person, and you need help to diffuse this situation.

Good luck.

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